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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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FearlessF

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #280 on: August 03, 2018, 05:44:28 PM »
Says he never physically abused her.
never?  Not even in 2009?
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #281 on: August 03, 2018, 05:48:44 PM »
never?  Not even in 2009?
He characterized everything as "restraining" her 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #282 on: August 03, 2018, 05:53:52 PM »
It is a complicated statement. If true, then he reported it. But also if true, he lied in his presser ... and kept employing Smith beyond 2015 anyway, ostensibly because it wasn't public yet, so no big deal.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #283 on: August 03, 2018, 05:57:47 PM »
Man, this thing is moving fast.
Just wanted to agree with you a bit here, and I believe that being "PC" can be taken too far.
I think I left of center, but the right is so far right I look liberal, but that's another area.
Sorry for the side track, but really, the only thing affecting me about this debate, is what recruiting will be like after.
I'm with you there. Also: a little agreeable sidetrack here is probably healthy. Keeps us calm and thoughtful.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #284 on: August 03, 2018, 06:00:09 PM »
So my thoughts are:

- Urbs was entirely too flippant about what he said to the media
- There doesn't appear to be any sort of cover up - Urban wasn't hiding allegations of domestic violence
- Whether he should have been fired earlier is dicey - on one hand obviously yes!  OTOH if everything is reported to the school and to the police, and everyone signs off that everything is ok, why not keep him?

Remaining questions
- What did Urbs and Shelley talk about?
- What did athletic department do about this?
If not fireable then, why fireable now? The only aspect that changed was publicity.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #285 on: August 03, 2018, 06:01:42 PM »
It is a complicated statement. If true, then he reported it. But also if true, he lied in his presser ... and kept employing Smith beyond 2015 anyway, ostensibly because it wasn't public yet, so no big deal.
Well summed up. The part that rubs me the wrong way is he blatantly lied in the presser and kind of shrugging it off by talking his principles and his parents.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #286 on: August 03, 2018, 06:03:32 PM »
If not fireable then, why fireable now? The only aspect that changed was publicity.
Urbs already said publicity was a reason he was fired.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #287 on: August 03, 2018, 06:03:38 PM »
It is a complicated statement. If true, then he reported it. But also if true, he lied in his presser ... and kept employing Smith beyond 2015 anyway, ostensibly because it wasn't public yet, so no big deal.
If he reported it, IMHO he's in the clear. 
Even for continuing to employ Smith, because I'm sure if he reported it, the HR and Title IX folks would probably have had to spend some time reviewing it. And once Courtney filed for divorce [a month after the Oct 2015 incident] and they were truly separated, maybe they said "well the problem will be moot because they are no longer together." So bygones are bygones, there were no charges filed, and they're not together so the risk is now mitigated. Until he blew the whole thing up this May. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #288 on: August 03, 2018, 06:05:01 PM »
If not fireable then, why fireable now? The only aspect that changed was publicity.
Not true. May 2018, after the divorce was final for almost 2 years, he gets charged for criminal trespass and she takes out the restraining order. That was new information this summer, and suggested that he couldn't even be divorced without abusing her. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #289 on: August 03, 2018, 06:05:58 PM »
Per Zach Smith, Urbs said "If I find out you hit her, I swear to God you're done. You're fired."

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #290 on: August 03, 2018, 06:09:14 PM »
I could see new President just saying screw it all, and saying you’re fired to a number of individuals. Especially with the wrestling scandal also on his lap.

Urban reported it up. But he still lied to the media and kept an abuser on staff. In the work of big time college football Head Coaches fire assistant coaches for looking the wrong way. He didn’t need a reason. He could have fired Zach for his idiocy on twitter and calling out other coaches like the Huskers assistant. But he kept him. Fireable for Urban?? Maybe not; but it still looks AWFUL. He is now stating he knew it all, but kept him.

Gene is a goner. 

This thing was really well managed by Ohio State for 48 hours with the paid leave and clear and decisive statements, as well as the well constructed investigative body.

Now it’s the Wild West with individuals running to their PR corners and going into full blown personal CYA mode. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #291 on: August 03, 2018, 06:19:34 PM »
On top of all this McMurpjy is now dropping new text strands between Zach smith and the ex, where he admits strangling her. 

He said he was sitting on a bunch more info and now he might play his next hand. 

This is moving VERY fast

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #292 on: August 03, 2018, 06:21:12 PM »
did Ohio State start fall camp today like the Huskers and some others?

Of do they start later?
Yes, today, as planned. What wasn’t originally planned was the practice being closed to the media & fans. What could’ve prompted that sudden change?
In other news, sports radio came around to speculating a Meyer replacement. Two names came up: Hiring Matt Campbell from Iowa State & convincing Bob Stoops to come out of short lived retirement.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #293 on: August 03, 2018, 06:22:59 PM »
Urbs already said publicity was a reason he was fired.
I know. My goal with that comment was to express something incongruous. 
Either one behaves so purely out of principle that he can brag about it as a mainstay ... or one can sometimes maintain the employment of a subordinate because he's good enough to 100% deserve it except until incorrect bad publicity arises and that subordinate gets dumped to the wolves even though he did deserve the job and didn't deserve the character defaming at all.
It's too incongruent to believe. It's more straightforward to believe that Smith was a dick but kept his job because the public hadn't yet fathomed his the true extent of his dickishness.
I have to admit it's too soon to conclude my suspicion for sure. But it's waaaaay-upon-WAY to soon to conclude Meyer's word choice about why Smith stayed on staff. That one aspect of his statement was a have cake/eat it too moment.

 

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