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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #112 on: August 02, 2018, 08:41:25 AM »
One of the more interesting aspects of this is how population in general reacts. It appears as if the 2015 incident was completely denied by Zack Smith and the police investigation agreed with him.
 In other words it’s a he said she said and whether anything even happened at all, yet everyone is so quick to assume that he did these things he’s being accused of.

 I have actually been the witness in court to a similar situation where she abused him but tried to have him prosecuted for abusing her.

The  Faux out rage of Urban’ detractors is humorous and predictable
How do you respond to the detail that everything in McMurphy's article(s) has been documented? (Arrests, charges, photos, texts with Shelley Meyer, etc.) That it doesn't include any anonymous sources? That, unless the documents are questioned, the story can stand alone without hand waving about "whatever else is out there?"
That's the aspect that makes it most credible.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #113 on: August 02, 2018, 08:46:08 AM »
When did Smith's wife actually file charges?I mean for real,because unless Urban witnessed the abuse,what legally was he obligated to do?We know morally what the obligation is.But was Smith ex also reluctant to get him fired.Just asking because I'm not spending any time investigating.IMO Meyer and Gene Smith will both be shown the door 
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« Reply #114 on: August 02, 2018, 08:48:53 AM »
Any of OSU’s 15 solid 2019 commits softening?  

Logic dictates Urban’s entire staff be swept at the end of the season since they were in on the dirty secret.   Everyone should be highly motivated in camp.

The timing of this mess could not be worse from the Buckeyes point of view.
Word that Dwan Mathis reached out to MSU about flipping back, and was told no.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #116 on: August 02, 2018, 08:53:43 AM »
One of the more interesting aspects of this is how population in general reacts. It appears as if the 2015 incident was completely denied by Zack Smith and the police investigation agreed with him.
 In other words it’s a he said she said and whether anything even happened at all, yet everyone is so quick to assume that he did these things he’s being accused of.

I have actually been the witness in court to a similar situation where she abused him but tried to have him prosecuted for abusing her.

The  Faux out rage of Urban’ detractors is humorous and predictable
Am I to read into this that you are a person working in the legal profession? (sorry if that's a tad personal, but I wanted to shape a response and that context would matter)

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #117 on: August 02, 2018, 08:53:50 AM »
I hope Urban gets a fair shake.  Don’t know what the facts are.  Do know universities are densly populated with PC cliff divers.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #118 on: August 02, 2018, 08:57:33 AM »
When did Smith's wife actually file charges?I mean for real,because unless Urban witnessed the abuse,what legally was he obligated to do?We know morally what the obligation is.But was Smith ex also reluctant to get him fired.Just asking because I'm not spending any time investigating.IMO Meyer and Gene Smith will both be shown the door
The DV situations can be tricky. A friend works in an ER and will talk to girls who say "Yes he busted up my face, but I can't leave him."
I saw a case where the victim was publicly saying "It's not how it looks." And the cops had a house that had been broken into by a drunk ex-lover and pressed some kinds of charges. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #119 on: August 02, 2018, 09:03:35 AM »
I hope Urban gets a fair shake.  Don’t know what the facts are.  Do know universities are densly populated with PC cliff divers.
Ya me too 430 but if he knew about this for quite some time then sayonara.At one time or another he had to report up to Gene Smith if he knew.Specially after what happened at other schools,so either ignorant or negligent neither is a virtue
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #120 on: August 02, 2018, 09:03:45 AM »
How do you respond to the detail that everything in McMurphy's article(s) has been documented? (Arrests, charges, photos, texts with Shelley Meyer, etc.) That it doesn't include any anonymous sources? That, unless the documents are questioned, the story can stand alone without hand waving about "whatever else is out there?"
That's the aspect that makes it most credible.
 There is no dispute about the arrest in 2009.  
The question at hand is 2015.  There was no arrest.  Shelley Meyer encouraged her to press charges and she wouldn’t.  
The police investigated and also did not press 
You have heard only one side- the side of someone who is going public only after her income source has dried up. 
I would think you would like to hear what Zach Smith has to say and what Meyer had to say. 
If you watch Urbans comments specifically he says “when we looked into 2015 there was nothing there”. 
He also mentions “ what was reported is not what happened “. 
I get the feeling there is a he said- she said aspect to this- so in that case what do you do?
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #121 on: August 02, 2018, 09:04:34 AM »
I hope Urban gets a fair shake.  Don’t know what the facts are.  Do know universities are densly populated with PC cliff divers.
Chances are very high, we will never fully know this. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #122 on: August 02, 2018, 09:08:02 AM »
Am I to read into this that you are a person working in the legal profession? (sorry if that's a tad personal, but I wanted to shape a response and that context would matter)
No.  As a personal witness.   The female pressed charges for him hitting her.  
I had witnessed the exact opposite 
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #123 on: August 02, 2018, 09:13:48 AM »
Day being named interim head coach over the more experienced Schiano and Wilson is interesting.  I wonder if they’ve started packing their baggage.
I also thought that was interesting.  I think it indicates that they are at least thinking about the possibility that this "Acting Head Coach" thing will become "Interim Head Coach" and they wanted to avoid the baggage of Schiano and Wilson.  If they were confident that it was just a few weeks then it would be logical to appoint one of those two who have run programs in the past.  
That looks bad for Urban.  

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #124 on: August 02, 2018, 09:14:16 AM »
My most memorable client I ever defended. He called the cops.  Why? His wife was whacking him with a rake and her mother was throwing cans of soup at him.  My guy has a witness who tells me quote "he took it like a champ ". What do the police do when they show up? Arrest my client.  MKE PD policy. He didn't complete some household tasks he was supposed to do. She was none too pleased about it.

This case dragged out until we finally got the wife to show up and tell the Court she was doing the beating.  They hugged each other in the courtroom .  My guy had priors but never for DV.

As said before, DV cases can be really difficult to handle for anybody. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #125 on: August 02, 2018, 09:14:57 AM »
I hope Urban gets a fair shake.  Don’t know what the facts are.  Do know universities are densly populated with PC cliff divers.
This could be a major issue in this situation.  

 

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