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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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bayareabadger

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #47138 on: July 20, 2025, 12:40:57 PM »
Quote from: brisco_0317 on July 20, 2025, 12:19:41 PM
It’s weird to see political commentary in a thread labeled “Politics Thread”?  LOL
It’s weird to see posters on the sports and lifestyle board who post only in the political thread. Especially for this board, which historically banished this thread.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #47139 on: July 20, 2025, 12:52:04 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 20, 2025, 12:40:16 PM
First you have to define exactly what gerrymandering is.  Seems obvious on its face but what types of drawn boundaries are "acceptable" and what ones are considered "gerrymandered?"

Is there some percentage or deviation from a geographic line determining the midpoint of a specified population that determines it? 

Is it vibes?

Is it something else?
I would describe it as an act of intentional drawing of borders to either consolidate power or create outcomes that stretch well past the projected representations of the electorate. 

It’s a bit odd because it can be done with methods of both dilution and concentration. 
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #47140 on: July 20, 2025, 12:56:54 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 20, 2025, 12:52:04 PM
I would describe it as an act of intentional drawing of borders to either consolidate power or create outcomes that stretch well past the projected representations of the electorate.

It’s a bit odd because it can be done with methods of both dilution and concentration.

That's not objective, it's not scientific, it's wildly open for interpretation and debate, and is therefore a completely useless definition.

Like I said, it seems easy on its face.  It practice it's almost impossible to define and calculate in a manner which won't seem unfair in one way or another.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #47141 on: July 20, 2025, 12:57:41 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 20, 2025, 12:40:57 PM
It’s weird to see posters on the sports and lifestyle board who post only in the political thread. Especially for this board, which historically banished this thread.

Just because you haven’t seen posts I’ve made in other threads doesn’t mean they aren’t happening.  

Where should I be posting political stuff if not here?

If you don’t want to see political stuff, you can ignore this thread - no one is forcing you to participate here.  

FTR, I’m a Badger too.  
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #47142 on: July 20, 2025, 12:58:28 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 20, 2025, 12:52:04 PM
I would describe it as an act of intentional drawing of borders to either consolidate power or create outcomes that stretch well past the projected representations of the electorate.

It’s a bit odd because it can be done with methods of both dilution and concentration.

Should only one party be able to do it?
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #47143 on: July 20, 2025, 12:59:19 PM »
Pretty sure brisco is here at the invitation of our esteemed fellow, 847.

I'm always happy to see new posters around here, we don't get much new blood.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #47144 on: July 20, 2025, 01:24:41 PM »

Who is this esteemed 847 you speak of ? This new feller just might ratchet up UW's street cred around here 🙃
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #47145 on: July 20, 2025, 01:50:03 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 20, 2025, 12:56:54 PM
That's not objective, it's not scientific, it's wildly open for interpretation and debate, and is therefore a completely useless definition.

Like I said, it seems easy on its face.  It practice it's almost impossible to define and calculate in a manner which won't seem unfair in one way or another.
I mean, if everything had to have a locked in, uninterpretable definition or else it was useless and not worth discussing, this thread would be a lot shorter. 

If I use models and data and design a map with the intent of making the final product of elections does not represent the larger picture of the electorate in a drastic way that favors some outcome, I as the map drawer want, we can call that whatever we like. 

But I take it from this answer, you feel what I described, even without a precise definition I can call up on hand, is good or at least fine, and that's AOK. 
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #47146 on: July 20, 2025, 01:52:07 PM »
Quote from: brisco_0317 on July 20, 2025, 12:57:41 PM
Just because you haven’t seen posts I’ve made in other threads doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. 

Where should I be posting political stuff if not here?

If you don’t want to see political stuff, you can ignore this thread - no one is forcing you to participate here. 

FTR, I’m a Badger too. 
I thought about that first part, and so I looked before I posted (the site has a feature for that). 

I mean, there's a whole internet where people talk politics. 

But it's a free board and country. I don't not want you on here. I find it a bit odd, that's all. 
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #47147 on: July 20, 2025, 01:54:23 PM »
Quote from: brisco_0317 on July 20, 2025, 12:58:28 PM
Should only one party be able to do it?
Nope. Both should be able to do it, or it should be discouraged across the board. 

Do you fall on one side or the other on that? If doesn't seem so. 
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #47148 on: July 20, 2025, 02:13:11 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 20, 2025, 01:54:23 PM
Nope. Both should be able to do it, or it should be discouraged across the board.

Do you fall on one side or the other on that? If doesn't seem so.

No, I agree with you that both should be able to do it or no one.  The rhetoric is ridiculous. 
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #47149 on: July 20, 2025, 02:14:18 PM »
Quote from: brisco_0317 on July 20, 2025, 02:13:11 PM
No, I agree with you that both should be able to do it or no one.  The rhetoric is ridiculous.
So you’re unopinionated in if both or no one is preferable? OK. 
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #47150 on: July 20, 2025, 02:35:42 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 20, 2025, 02:14:18 PM
So you’re unopinionated in if both or no one is preferable? OK.

I must’ve missed your opinion…
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #47151 on: July 20, 2025, 02:42:41 PM »
Quote from: brisco_0317 on July 20, 2025, 02:35:42 PM
I must’ve missed your opinion…
I think as a practice, I feel it’s undemocratic. I’d prefer no one do it. 

I also readily admit, actually solving it is quite tricky, as there’s no perfect map and setting an exact standard is pretty tough. Though I’d guess using the tools using to create gerrymandered maps, one could endeavor from something more reflectively representative. 
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