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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46914 on: July 17, 2025, 09:39:24 AM »
Free speech already has obvious legal limits, this would just be one more.  Some court would decide if it's OK or not, if it passes.


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46915 on: July 17, 2025, 09:56:29 AM »
Meh.  it’s like speed limits. You’re allowed to drive your car, but there are rules involved that take into account other people in property.   This is no different.

The people that object with claim it’s on the grounds of first amendment rights, but what they really mean is they want the right to have violence and destruction in their protest   
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46916 on: July 17, 2025, 10:05:42 AM »
plenty of good laws on the books
no need for another one with time limits
enforce the laws, punish the bad actors
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46917 on: July 17, 2025, 10:06:51 AM »
Meh.  it’s like speed limits. You’re allowed to drive your car, but there are rules involved that take into account other people in property.  This is no different.

The people that object with claim it’s on the grounds of first amendment rights, but what they really mean is they want the right to have violence and destruction in their protest 
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46918 on: July 17, 2025, 10:26:00 AM »
Meh.  it’s like speed limits. You’re allowed to drive your car, but there are rules involved that take into account other people in property.  This is no different.

The people that object with claim it’s on the grounds of first amendment rights, but what they really mean is they want the right to have violence and destruction in their protest 
This, via the text of the law, is as if the speed limit was zero from 10 PM to 8 AM.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46919 on: July 17, 2025, 10:30:01 AM »
This, via the text of the law, is as if the speed limit was zero from 10 PM to 8 AM.
No, it's actually more like, you can drive your car all over town at any time of day you like, but you can't drive your car specifically on campus, between 10 PM and 8 AM.  In fact it's exactly like that.

And what do you know-- UT has a closed campus and you can't drive your car on the main part of campus at ANY time of the day.

According to you that's unconstitutional.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46920 on: July 17, 2025, 10:36:42 AM »
plenty of good laws on the books
no need for another one with time limits
enforce the laws, punish the bad actors
This would be a tough one for the “enforce the law“ approach.

in fact, the only way it isn’t a huge disaster if it’s almost never enforced.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46921 on: July 17, 2025, 10:47:07 AM »
No, it's actually more like, you can drive your car all over town at any time of day you like, but you can't drive your car specifically on campus, between 10 PM and 8 AM.  In fact it's exactly like that.

And what do you know-- UT has a closed campus and you can't drive your car on the main part of campus at ANY time of the day.

According to you that's unconstitutional.
You’re being funny, and I like that.

Replace “driving your car” with “ expression protected by the first amendment.” That includes complaining about the restaurant selection at the student union and and talking and declaring that Texas A&M sucks. Prohibited after 10 PM and before 8 AM. Letter of the law.

I have to admit, I think that’s not good. it seems a lot of other people think that’s very good. Suppose we will just disagree.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46922 on: July 17, 2025, 10:56:14 AM »
You’re being funny, and I like that.

Replace “driving your car” with “ expression protected by the first amendment.” That includes complaining about the restaurant selection at the student union and and talking and declaring that Texas A&M sucks. Prohibited after 10 PM and before 8 AM. Letter of the law.

I have to admit, I think that’s not good. it seems a lot of other people think that’s very good. Suppose we will just disagree.
The bill is specifically about assembly.  So no, talking about restaurants isn't prohibited.  Employing the logical fallacy of an appeal to extremes doesn't support your argument.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46923 on: July 17, 2025, 11:11:09 AM »
The bill is specifically about assembly.  So no, talking about restaurants isn't prohibited.  Employing the logical fallacy of an appeal to extremes doesn't support your argument.

The actual text of the bill, now a signed law, is not specifically about assembly, thus the issue. 

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46924 on: July 17, 2025, 11:18:00 AM »
The actual text of the bill, now a signed law, is not specifically about assembly, thus the issue.
The entire bill is about assembly.  But continue to pearl-clutch over it if you must.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46925 on: July 17, 2025, 11:23:05 AM »
These are the types of activities covered by the idea of expressive activity.  So yeah, you're right that you can't carry a sign around after 10 PM or before 8 AM expressing how mad you are about the selection of campus restaurants, or how much you hate Texas A&M.  I'll fly to the defense of any student or campus employee who is imprisoned or fined for doing such.


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46926 on: July 17, 2025, 11:28:18 AM »
The entire bill is about assembly.  But continue to pearl-clutch over it if you must.
Read the text. Right at the top it says, for some reason, it’s about more than assembly. 

Hopefully an accident becuase someone was being dumb and not as a weird power grab. But still odd to put into law. 

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46927 on: July 17, 2025, 11:37:46 AM »
These are the types of activities covered by the idea of expressive activity.  So yeah, you're right that you can't carry a sign around after 10 PM or before 8 AM expressing how mad you are about the selection of campus restaurants, or how much you hate Texas A&M.  I'll fly to the defense of any student or campus employee who is imprisoned or fined for doing such.


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  • Carrying signs

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Actual text of the law: "Expressive activities" means any speech or expressive conduct protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution or by Section 8, Article I, Texas Constitution, and includes assemblies, protests, speeches, the distribution of written material, the carrying of signs, and the circulation of petitions.

So it makes sure to include those things, but does not limit it to them. Probably would’ve been smart to do so.

 

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