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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Cincydawg

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I have no desire to set up targets for you to shoot down.  Pass.
So, you are shrugging and saying "That's how it's always been."

Folks learn things by discussing them, throwing out possible approaches to problems and then considering possible deficiencies.

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Tax the rich.
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So, you are shrugging and saying "That's how it's always been."

Folks learn things by discussing them, throwing out possible approaches to problems and then considering possible deficiencies.
Wow you still found a target.  Kudos.
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Any steps towards making the quality of tax attorney irrelevant would be a good start.  Simple, specific tax language with no wiggle room or space for bullshit would be nice.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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It's weird that the US is so star-spangled awesome, that a few additional percentage points of taxes would drive all the successful people out. 

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Yet you won’t volunteer to do it yourself.  You are very generous with other people’s money. 

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Kindly bother someone else.  I have neither the time nor effort to give a shit.
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About the only people who claim to want to leave are Trump haters (though few do).

Obviously, a substantive wealth tax would cause billionaires to CONSIDER leaving.  I doubt many would, but some did in Europe (where the main problem was that their wealth taxes didn't raise much revenue and caused a ton of additional work by their IRSs trying to enforce such a thing).

A lot of wealthy people live in NYC today (that could change).  I suspect most have little taxable income, so the high taxes in income don't bother them, the same with California.  

I ran the numbers once on moving to Florida, establishing residence, and then coverting my IRA into a Roth, then moving to California.  The Federal hit would be rather stiff, but it was a thought.  Once I converted to a Roth, I'd have no taxable income, and could live in a high tax state with no downside.  

I am a large fan of a much simpler tax code, the recent Republican bill of course went in the other direction with deductions for all sorts of new things.

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I foresee a time when folks can enter a kind of pod with virtual reality in it, full effects, and basically stay there for most of their lives.  

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Tax the rich.
I agree but why do they keep faffing around with me
« Last Edit: Today at 02:15:28 PM by MrNubbz »
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I have a sibling who moved to Austria in 2008. He's never coming back. He doesn't notice a significant difference in his tax rate from when he lived in the U.S. (Oregon and Washington, mostly). He does notice he has much better health care at a much lower cost. He lives in a beautiful place, in a clean city, with a good job in a nearby city that he commutes to on quality public transit. His step-children had good access to affordable higher education. He gets a lot of vacation every year. Austria isn't perfect, but it's pretty darned nice. It also depends on NATO (read, at least historically: the U.S.) for its national defense. It is also much smaller than the U.S., has a more homogenous population, and largely depends on its neighbors for generating its economy. The country's government has taken a hard-right turn as a result of immigration, largely driven by the Arab Spring and the Syrian civil war. Austria probably, mostly, has U.S. interventionism in Iraq to thank for that. But maybe not.

He keeps his U.S. citizenship. I'm not sure if he's yet gotten his Austrian citizenship. He can have both, I think, but--at least a decade ago--he was hesitant to call himself anything other than an American.

I have a work colleague who lives most of the year (10+months?) in Barcelona. It was intended to be a one-year thing, but she's been there since 2019. Don't know if she's really coming back, although she keeps her house here, too. Her daughter has been going to school in Barcelona, so it will be a thing to pull her out and bring her back here.

I think I would enjoy living in Europe for a year or so, but I'm an American, and it will always be my home. I think the U.S. is a special place, driven by its political formation, its geography, size, location, and population. But it isn't the only good place to live in the world.

That said, it takes a decent amount of money to move to Europe, Australia, New Zealand, etc. Just as it takes some money to move from California to Texas, or Mississippi to New York. For a lot of people, "if you don't love it, leave it" isn't realistic.

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I ran the numbers once on moving to Florida, establishing residence, and then coverting my IRA into a Roth, then moving to California.  The Federal hit would be rather stiff, but it was a thought.  Once I converted to a Roth, I'd have no taxable income, and could live in a high tax state with no downside. 
Nope.

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Eat the rich!
You'd be stringy and tough - like a longhorn
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