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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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bayareabadger

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46452 on: July 07, 2025, 12:46:33 PM »
If there is nothing there, why is his GF spending 20 years in prison?
 Nothing there on the far reaching conspiracy side. They definitely did the sax trafficking.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46453 on: July 07, 2025, 12:48:28 PM »
Putin is a thug, we get it. The world has known this for the nearly 30 years he's been in power. Pardon me if I give zero shits about the internal affairs of Russia...
I care plenty about the doings of possibly the single most evil man in the entire world.  I care similarly about the evil doings of people like Xi and Bibi.  They're all bad, they all affect us, and they are all worthy of discussion.


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46454 on: July 07, 2025, 12:56:25 PM »
How the U.S. deficit could spark a crisis

This is probably my main concern.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46455 on: July 07, 2025, 12:59:53 PM »
Nothing there on the far reaching conspiracy side. They definitely did the sax trafficking.

I don't think it's far-reaching. I think the Government needs to come clean with whatever it is hiding from us. We pay their salaries, and we have a right to know.

I don't care who is implemented. Bring it.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46456 on: July 07, 2025, 01:03:46 PM »
the government is dirty, they don't want to come clean.  There aren't enuff "clean" players in Washington to make it happen.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46457 on: July 07, 2025, 01:07:32 PM »
When someone promises to make it all public, and then they don't when they can, it stinks.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46458 on: July 07, 2025, 01:15:02 PM »
Nothing there on the far reaching conspiracy side. They definitely did the sax trafficking.

Sax trafficking definitely makes things worse for the Clintons

Stream episode Bill Clinton; Sax God by Empty Wiz podcast | Listen online  for free on SoundCloud

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46459 on: July 07, 2025, 01:16:08 PM »
Sax trafficking definitely makes things worse for the Clintons

Stream episode Bill Clinton; Sax God by Empty Wiz podcast | Listen online  for free on SoundCloud

Sax Trafficking would be a good band name for ol' Slick Willie's jazz combo.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46460 on: July 07, 2025, 01:19:56 PM »
A 27-year-old man was killed Monday after opening fire at a U.S. Border Patrol facility in McAllen, Texas, authorities said.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46461 on: July 07, 2025, 01:38:55 PM »
I don't think billionaires are evil, but you can't become one without fucking over a large group of underlings.  You may call them employees, but they're paid as little as legally possible.  And if they can find someone willing to do the job for a cent less...
You call it "fucking over", they call it "a job".  

Yeah, their boss would hire someone for less if they could but they would work somewhere else for more if they could.  

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« Reply #46462 on: July 07, 2025, 01:46:24 PM »
And yet you won’t voluntarily pay more taxes to help - you’re just virtue signaling.
I don't generally agree with @OrangeAfroMan but I'm going to defend him on this.  

Conservatives love this argument.  My dad used to make it.  He'd say that "If Ted Kennedy wants higher taxes, he can pay more anytime."  

The logic here is EXACTLY the same as an argument you'll hear sometimes from liberals that conservatives shouldn't accept governmental benefits from programs that they oppose.  

The logic to the two arguments is EXACTLY the same and both arguments are wrong and here is why:

Fundamentally nobody actually WANTS higher taxes nor lower services.  At least in theory:
  • Liberals want more services and are willing to accept the higher taxes.  
  • Conservatives want lower taxes and are willing to accept lower spending.  
A liberal just freely contributing more to the government or a conservative choosing to decline services is getting the bad without the good.  


For a simpler, less politicized example:
Suppose that we on this board are a HoA.  Now suppose that @OrangeAfroMan proposes that the HoA should provide lawncare for everyone in the development.  He has it all figured out and it will cost a mere $50/month.  He explains that this is MUCH cheaper than any of us could buy the service as individuals so we should do it.  Now suppose that I oppose the proposal either because I'm cheap or because I like doing the lawn myself.  

If the proposal fails it would be ludicrous to say that OAM should pay the extra $50/month anyway because he ISN"T getting the service he wanted, he shouldn't have to pay for it.  

If the proposal succeeds it would be ludicrous to say that @medinabuckeye1 should decline the lawncare because I AM paying for it so I should get the service.  

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46464 on: July 07, 2025, 01:54:24 PM »
If there is nothing there, why is his GF spending 20 years in prison?
The deliberations cap a three-week trial highlighted by testimony from the four women, who said Maxwell recruited and groomed them to be sexually abused by Epstein and sometimes participated in that abuse. The abuse allegedly began when they were younger than 18, and their accusations stretched from 1994 to 2004.

Epstein, an elusive financier who pleaded guilty in 2008 to state prostitution charges, was indicted on federal sex trafficking charges in July 2019; he died by suicide in prison a month later. Maxwell, now 60, was arrested in 2020 and has been held behind bars since then under close watch.

Ghislaine Maxwell trial: Jurors have asked for transcripts from all four accusers’ testimony | CNN

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46465 on: July 07, 2025, 01:57:30 PM »
Long ago, I was on a jury in a trial of four counts of child rape.  Needless to say it wasn't pleasant, but the jurors handled themselves pretty well I thought.  We convicted 12-0 on each count, it was tough to conceive of a defense, and the attorney for the accused was awful.  We heard direct and credible testimony from several of the girls involved, they were maybe 10-11.  

The defendant later was sentenced to life in prison.  


 

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