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Yeah, all the due process people had no problem with due process violations to “get Trump”. 

And thus the "respect the process" ship sailed.

And thus the "respect the process" ship sailed.

In reference to what?

Yeah, all the due process people had no problem with due process violations to “get Trump”. 

Stipulating I think those charges were mostly stupid, I don’t know that was a failure of “due process.”

He received a process. It didn’t seem like there were any notable violations there, at least on the legal side. 

Eh, the "they did it first" finger-pointing can go back decades and probably generations.  It doesn't change the facts now.

Bullshit identity politics have absolutely destroyed any chance at civil discourse and unless/until people cut that out and reengage their brains, nothing is going to change or get better.

The thing that often gets me is the “for thee not for me” energy that often pervades this.

I don’t know that I’m 100 percent on this, but I usually try to say, if this was flipped in terms of parties, how would I feel? And then I try to use that to drill down on the actual act and my feelings on it. (That also requires a good bit of skepticism and distrust of folks I might be aligned with, something that often seems cast aside quickly in such discussions).

I suppose part of politics if getting joy from being mad and consuming nonsense. And a lot of that just leads to it boiling down to “go team” sort of fluff.

The thing that often gets me is the “for thee not for me” energy that often pervades this.

I don’t know that I’m 100 percent on this, but I usually try to say, if this was flipped in terms of parties, how would I feel? And then I try to use that to drill down on the actual act and my feelings on it. (That also requires a good bit of skepticism and distrust of folks I might be aligned with, something that often seems cast aside quickly in such discussions).

I suppose part of politics if getting joy from being mad and consuming nonsense. And a lot of that just leads to it boiling down to “go team” sort of fluff.

I understand the intentions of such an exercise, but I think it's pretty much futile and it's impossible to be honest with yourself, as long as you're still existing in the world where you think in terms of "their party" and "my party" which, from your wording, it would appear you do.  I just don't believe there exists the capacity to be unbiased in such a mindspace.

There were like Hope Hicks testimony which SCOTUS said was protected but the main thing IMO has to do with a state judge denying the defense the ability to have the FEC commissioner testify about the federal campaign finance violation the prosecution alleged was one of the predicate crimes (that whole predicate crime debacle is another example).  Per the FEC commissioner, it wasn’t a crime which is I’m sure why the judge didn’t wanted him testifying as such. 

I explained the FEC non-crime in a previous post.  

For those unaware, the NY Prosecution was based on falsifying a business record which is ONLY a felony if it is done to cover up another felony.  The "other felony" that they alleged that it was done to cover up was the Federal Felony of failing to report paying off a bimbo as a campaign expense.  The problem with that is that John Edwards did literally exactly that.  Some of his friends paid off the chick that he had a baby with and the feds unsuccessfully attempted to prosecute him for an FEC violation.  At that point the feds determined that it wasn't a crime so when Trump did it later they didn't bother to attempt to prosecute.  

The NY Prosecutor couldn't prosecute Trump on the Federal crime because that could have been removed to federal court where it belonged and where it would have been dropped based on the Edwards precedent so they dug around and came up with the convoluted theory that recording the payments as a business expense was a falsification in furtherance of the underlying FEC Felony and thus that recording it as a business expense was a felony.  

This whole house of cards falls down if there isn't an FEC violation and there isn't.  Then they made it into 34 felonies with (as I understand it) the bulk of them being separate instances of the exact same thing.  

So here is the thing:
To the anti-Trump camp this is just another reason (that they didn't need) to hate Trump.  To Trump supporters this is just another instance of the swamp trying to get their guy with legal nonsense.  Probably literally nobody switched sides over this.  

I explained the FEC non-crime in a previous post. 

For those unaware, the NY Prosecution was based on falsifying a business record which is ONLY a felony if it is done to cover up another felony.  The "other felony" that they alleged that it was done to cover up was the Federal Felony of failing to report paying off a bimbo as a campaign expense.  The problem with that is that John Edwards did literally exactly that.  Some of his friends paid off the chick that he had a baby with and the feds unsuccessfully attempted to prosecute him for an FEC violation.  At that point the feds determined that it wasn't a crime so when Trump did it later they didn't bother to attempt to prosecute. 

The NY Prosecutor couldn't prosecute Trump on the Federal crime because that could have been removed to federal court where it belonged and where it would have been dropped based on the Edwards precedent so they dug around and came up with the convoluted theory that recording the payments as a business expense was a falsification in furtherance of the underlying FEC Felony and thus that recording it as a business expense was a felony. 

This whole house of cards falls down if there isn't an FEC violation and there isn't.  Then they made it into 34 felonies with (as I understand it) the bulk of them being separate instances of the exact same thing. 

So here is the thing:
To the anti-Trump camp this is just another reason (that they didn't need) to hate Trump.  To Trump supporters this is just another instance of the swamp trying to get their guy with legal nonsense.  Probably literally nobody switched sides over this. 

I believe the 34 counts come from writing 34 checks IIRC.  Just a ridiculous way to artificially inflate the alleged crime. 

The other problem with the campaign finance violation alleged is that they occurred in 2017 (that’s when Trump wrote the checks to Cohen) so how did he influence an election after it had happened?