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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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brisco_0317

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46228 on: July 02, 2025, 11:28:37 AM »
Setting aside that basic video making someone seem smarter than they are (neither being measurable things) is not illegal, what exactly are the damages and how could they be quantified?

The plaintiff won the election and is the most powerful man on earth.

Then what is the purpose of Newsom’s lawsuit?

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« Reply #46229 on: July 02, 2025, 11:29:21 AM »
There is where I'd slot it.  Illegal.



Election rigging, also known as voter fraud or electoral fraud, involves intentional, illegal actions to manipulate or influence the outcome of an election. It is considered a serious crime that undermines the integrity of the democratic process and public trust in elections
So if Fox News edited an interview that improved how Trump sounded, they’d be guilty of election rigging? That seems highly unsustainable and at odds with the constitution.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46230 on: July 02, 2025, 11:33:13 AM »
Then what is the purpose of Newsom’s lawsuit?
Catch me up on that. What is Newsom doing?
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46231 on: July 02, 2025, 11:35:07 AM »
Then what is the purpose of Newsom’s lawsuit?
Bullshit and attention, most likely. 

The Newsome case seems to argue that a Fox host “lied.” It’s not exactly clear if it’s provable as a lie. And the unfair business practices stuff is just nonsense.

In short, I assume it’s similar nonsense unless I hear a neutral legal voice has dug in and found there’s something there in the finer points. 

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« Reply #46232 on: July 02, 2025, 11:39:22 AM »
As noted, a settlement of $16M is mice nuts, for all parties involved.

I suspect the real reason, was to attempt to discredit CBS publicly and sow mistrust for mainstream media that is not Trump-friendly and/or conservative-friendly.  Which is pretty silly because anyone that is Trump-friendly already distrusts CBS, and anyone that is anti-Trump likely approves of CBS as much or more now, as a result.

Same thing possibly true in reverse for Newsome/Fox.


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46233 on: July 02, 2025, 11:43:50 AM »
Catch me up on that. What is Newsom doing?

Newsom is suing Fox News for $787 million.  This has to do with the whole national guard thing, Trump said he called and spoke to Newsom and he responded that that was a lie.  Fox then published pictures supposedly from Trump’s phone showing calls to Newsom, one lasting several minutes suggesting they spoke.  

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/27/newsom-sues-fox-news-defamation-case-00429168

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« Reply #46234 on: July 02, 2025, 11:46:50 AM »
Ha, my go-to legal podcast just touched on Newsome. 

Basically feels like similar bullshit. The kind your supporters rally behind, your enemies decry and people sort of interested in the mechanics of law roll their eyes at. 

I wouldn’t rule out a Stephanopolos case, where it was similar bullshit but he messed up in the exact way that could trigger a technicality, but overall, that wouldn’t make it seem much better in my eyes. 

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« Reply #46235 on: July 02, 2025, 11:47:14 AM »
Newsom is suing Fox News for $787 million.  This has to do with the whole national guard thing, Trump said he called and spoke to Newsom and he responded that that was a lie.  Fox then published pictures supposedly from Trump’s phone showing calls to Newsom, one lasting several minutes suggesting they spoke. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/27/newsom-sues-fox-news-defamation-case-00429168
It seems there’s an edited interview as well!

(To be clear, this is not to say I think it’s good, just to say that it also brings in that element)

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46236 on: July 02, 2025, 11:49:06 AM »
I suspect the real reason, was to attempt to discredit CBS publicly and sow mistrust for mainstream media that is not Trump-friendly and/or conservative-friendly.  Which is pretty silly because anyone that is Trump-friendly already distrusts CBS, and anyone that is anti-Trump likely approves of CBS as much or more now, as a result.
THIS!

I had a long discussion about this concept on here but I want to raise the point again in regard to this particular issue.  Note that NOBODY is actually going after "normies" here.  For the Trump supporters this is just more evidence of media bias but, as you pointed out, it isn't like they needed more evidence, anyone who isn't FAR left has known for decades that the non-FOX media leans left and uses their position to distort and influence in that direction.  

For the anti-Trump group this is just another crime by Trump (see @bayareabadger 's extortion allegation) but again, they didn't need this in the least since they already have their 34 felonies.  

As I see it, this whole dust up probably convinced literally zero people to switch sides.  It is just more fuel for the fire for both sides without actually influencing any reachable voters.  

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46237 on: July 02, 2025, 11:51:32 AM »
Basically feels like similar bullshit. The kind your supporters rally behind, your enemies decry . . .
This is a disaster because note that we aren't even trying to reach/convince the other side or the theoretical "middle voters".  We are just creating red meat for our own camp.  

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« Reply #46238 on: July 02, 2025, 11:59:20 AM »
THIS!

I had a long discussion about this concept on here but I want to raise the point again in regard to this particular issue.  Note that NOBODY is actually going after "normies" here.  For the Trump supporters this is just more evidence of media bias but, as you pointed out, it isn't like they needed more evidence, anyone who isn't FAR left has known for decades that the non-FOX media leans left and uses their position to distort and influence in that direction. 

For the anti-Trump group this is just another crime by Trump (see @bayareabadger 's extortion allegation) but again, they didn't need this in the least since they already have their 34 felonies. 

As I see it, this whole dust up probably convinced literally zero people to switch sides.  It is just more fuel for the fire for both sides without actually influencing any reachable voters. 

Media bias has nothing to do with Trump and now we know they purposely hid Joe’s mental decline - those darn cheap fakes!

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« Reply #46239 on: July 02, 2025, 12:00:13 PM »
This is a disaster because note that we aren't even trying to reach/convince the other side or the theoretical "middle voters".  We are just creating red meat for our own camp. 
It’s also a perverse and gross use of the legal system. 

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« Reply #46240 on: July 02, 2025, 12:03:11 PM »
It’s also a perverse and gross use of the legal system.
I'd be more open to being bothered by that if that same legal system hadn't been used to gin up ridiculous "crimes" to get felony convictions against Trump by having a prosecutor who was elected to get him bring charges in a VERY anti-Trump jurisdiction then charge him with crimes that wouldn't be crimes if committed by anyone else and try the case in front of an anti-Trump judge to anti-Trump jurors then pretend they were legitimate convictions.  

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« Reply #46241 on: July 02, 2025, 12:14:53 PM »
I'd be more open to being bothered by that if that same legal system hadn't been used to gin up ridiculous "crimes" to get felony convictions against Trump by having a prosecutor who was elected to get him bring charges in a VERY anti-Trump jurisdiction then charge him with crimes that wouldn't be crimes if committed by anyone else and try the case in front of an anti-Trump judge to anti-Trump jurors then pretend they were legitimate convictions. 

Yeah, all the due process people had no problem with due process violations to “get Trump”.  

 

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