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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Mdot21

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46214 on: July 02, 2025, 11:04:54 AM »
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46215 on: July 02, 2025, 11:10:29 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on July 02, 2025, 11:04:54 AM

If the lord won’t help you understand basic concepts, someone here probably can. 
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46216 on: July 02, 2025, 11:12:56 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 02, 2025, 11:10:29 AM
If the lord won’t help you understand basic concepts, someone here probably can.


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46217 on: July 02, 2025, 11:17:03 AM »
Quote from: brisco_0317 on July 02, 2025, 11:05:21 AM
What they did was purposefully edit the interview of one of the presidential nominees to make her sound smarter than she is.  While that may not be illegal, it is highly dishonest and not what the 1st amendment was intended for. 

But now Gavin Newsom has joined the party!
So the lawsuit was over something not illegal at all? Interesting. Sure seems to tell us something about the root here. 

(If making a pol sound dumber or smarter than they are is highly dishonest, then we best scuttle this thread and most political discussion, we wouldn’t want to dishonor the first amendment thusly)
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46218 on: July 02, 2025, 11:20:04 AM »
Eh, bab's claim seems to be that Trump's camp is intimidating CBS into settling with the threat of causing them problems in future business dealings if they don't give in.  That matches the posted definition of extortion well enough to be applicable.

Now, whether or not this assertion from bab is true, is something entirely different.  There's no way to know the truth of that, only Trump's camp and CBS know the actual dealings.

I'll also agree with CD that $16M negotiated is peanuts, but that's true for both camps.  It seems to me like if CBS is actually guilty then they're getting off super-easy, and if it's all a lie then Trump isn't getting much out of it.
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bayareabadger

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46219 on: July 02, 2025, 11:21:05 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on July 02, 2025, 11:12:56 AM



Money was obtained. People here have made clear they think it was because of a threat of embarrassing info coming out.

Wow. Figured it out, just like that. Crazy times.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46220 on: July 02, 2025, 11:22:42 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 02, 2025, 11:17:03 AM
So the lawsuit was over something not illegal at all? Interesting. Sure seems to tell us something about the root here.

(If making a pol sound dumber or smarter than they are is highly dishonest, then we best scuttle this thread and most political discussion, we wouldn’t want to dishonor the first amendment thusly)

There is where I'd slot it.  Illegal.



Election rigging, also known as voter fraud or electoral fraud, involves intentional, illegal actions to manipulate or influence the outcome of an election. It is considered a serious crime that undermines the integrity of the democratic process and public trust in elections
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bayareabadger

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46221 on: July 02, 2025, 11:25:06 AM »
Setting aside that basic video making someone seem smarter than they are (neither being measurable things) is not illegal, what exactly are the damages and how could they be quantified?

The plaintiff won the election and is the most powerful man on earth. 
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46222 on: July 02, 2025, 11:29:21 AM »
Quote from: jgvol on July 02, 2025, 11:22:42 AM
There is where I'd slot it.  Illegal.



Election rigging, also known as voter fraud or electoral fraud, involves intentional, illegal actions to manipulate or influence the outcome of an election. It is considered a serious crime that undermines the integrity of the democratic process and public trust in elections
So if Fox News edited an interview that improved how Trump sounded, they’d be guilty of election rigging? That seems highly unsustainable and at odds with the constitution.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46223 on: July 02, 2025, 11:33:13 AM »
Quote from: brisco_0317 on July 02, 2025, 11:28:37 AM
Then what is the purpose of Newsom’s lawsuit?
Catch me up on that. What is Newsom doing?
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46224 on: July 02, 2025, 11:35:07 AM »
Quote from: brisco_0317 on July 02, 2025, 11:28:37 AM
Then what is the purpose of Newsom’s lawsuit?
Bullshit and attention, most likely. 

The Newsome case seems to argue that a Fox host “lied.” It’s not exactly clear if it’s provable as a lie. And the unfair business practices stuff is just nonsense.

In short, I assume it’s similar nonsense unless I hear a neutral legal voice has dug in and found there’s something there in the finer points. 
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46225 on: July 02, 2025, 11:39:22 AM »
As noted, a settlement of $16M is mice nuts, for all parties involved.

I suspect the real reason, was to attempt to discredit CBS publicly and sow mistrust for mainstream media that is not Trump-friendly and/or conservative-friendly.  Which is pretty silly because anyone that is Trump-friendly already distrusts CBS, and anyone that is anti-Trump likely approves of CBS as much or more now, as a result.

Same thing possibly true in reverse for Newsome/Fox.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46226 on: July 02, 2025, 11:46:50 AM »
Ha, my go-to legal podcast just touched on Newsome. 

Basically feels like similar bullshit. The kind your supporters rally behind, your enemies decry and people sort of interested in the mechanics of law roll their eyes at. 

I wouldn’t rule out a Stephanopolos case, where it was similar bullshit but he messed up in the exact way that could trigger a technicality, but overall, that wouldn’t make it seem much better in my eyes. 
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46227 on: July 02, 2025, 11:47:14 AM »
Quote from: brisco_0317 on July 02, 2025, 11:43:50 AM
Newsom is suing Fox News for $787 million.  This has to do with the whole national guard thing, Trump said he called and spoke to Newsom and he responded that that was a lie.  Fox then published pictures supposedly from Trump’s phone showing calls to Newsom, one lasting several minutes suggesting they spoke. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/27/newsom-sues-fox-news-defamation-case-00429168
It seems there’s an edited interview as well!

(To be clear, this is not to say I think it’s good, just to say that it also brings in that element)
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