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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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bayareabadger

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I still don't agree.  This one law will affect millions of people statewide.  That's just one example that I could immediately recall, there are dozens and likely hundreds of others that have been passed (or repealed) within the last few years alone.

Another that immediately comes to mind is that the state legislature worked all session to develop a new hemp/THC/CBD ban, to roll back some legislation passed a few years ago which allowed some limited sales/distribution of these products here in the state.  I don't partake of the hippie lettuce but the law from several years ago certainly affected the lives of hundreds of thousands and probably millions of Texans, and the subsequent potential repeal of it would also affect hundreds of thousands and probably millions of people.  Luckily for all the stoners, the very-Republican governor vetoed the bill in a surprise move.  But now they're coming back for special session and it's almost certain that some form of repeal will get passed.

Those are just two recent examples.  State governments have broad powers to affect daily lives in so many ways.
If that’s the standard, then I suppose federal government is affecting my life every day because I can’t do cocaine even if I wanted to. so the feds are doing it too!

I suppose that I’m learning that I’m just built different? I guess I have the grit to wake up every day and feel mostly fine despite living in states that have laws I don’t like/are annoying to me. My eyes do not well with tears and I do not rend garments and sorrow.

i’m subjected to many laws and annoyances, and yet I persist.

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Sure, I was referring to changes in law and policies by the states, not that policies are good or bad in general.  USUALLY, the changes in a year go without much notice.

And I'm sure I could pay quite a bit less in tax by living somewhere else. 
Again, I don't believe this to be true at all, and have cited two recent and large-scale examples here in Texico.

utee94

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If that’s the standard, then I suppose federal government is affecting my life every day because I can’t do cocaine even if I wanted to. so the feds are doing it too!

I suppose that I’m learning that I’m just built different? I guess I have the grit to wake up every day and feel mostly fine despite living in states that have laws I don’t like/are annoying to me. My eyes do not well with tears and I do not rend garments and sorrow.

i’m subjected to many laws and annoyances, and yet I persist.

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A big part of the current "OBBB" in the Senate of course is extension of the "Trump tax cuts" from 2018.  Those tax cuts are actually pretty minor for folks with higher incomes, the dollar amount looks large but it's not really enough to impact one's lifestyle that much, for some couple earning say $400,000 a year.  The tax cut for a couple earning $50,000 a year is of course much less in dollar amounts but could be the "edge" they need to stay afloat.  So, some of it is clearly in the interest of folks earning lesser amounts of money.

Biden was President recently of course (in theory) and didn't put much effort into increasing taxes.

FWIW, I dislike many portions of the bill, I think trying to cram "everything" into one bill is a mistake.  The work requirements for Medicaid at least sound like a good idea to me, but I don't know enough about that to have a hard opinion.  Previous Democratic Presidents have supported similar work requirements.

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Again, I don't believe this to be true at all, and have cited two recent and large-scale examples here in Texico.
That is why I used the term USUALLY.  Sometimes a change in the law does have an impact, obviously.  

I've lived here seven years now and can't think of anything the Legislature did here that changed anything of note in my life.  They did pass some voter law that caused the All Star game to be moved to Colorado, but it's back here this year.

I understand they have reduced the state income tax rate a bit, and are refunding the $500 I mentioned, which I guess is OK with me, but it's not life changing.  I probably won't notice.

bayareabadger

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You have no say in my "inconvenience" and it's condescending AF for you to even mention it.  You don't get to decide how I should live my life or how things affect me and my family, only I get to decide that.  For a "liberal" you certainly sometimes come off as very close-minded and judgmental.

Regardless, the severity of impact isn't even at issue here.  You asserted that state governments don't really impact daily lives and I've now provided two clear examples where it does.  They were easy to come up with and there are dozens more.  The very concept of federalism allows, and even insists, that this be true.
I don’t have a say in it. I never said I did. Didn’t mean to offend. Most sorry to have struck a nerve and made you feel judged.

I find the parent cell phone thing extremely interesting, especially with how phone reliance is usually discussed.

As for the second part, I answered it in another post. Probably not as nicely as I could’ve, but we can probably all agree, we’re not shifting state borders over any of this.


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I don’t have a say in it. I never said I did. Didn’t mean to offend. Most sorry to have struck a nerve and made you feel judged.

I find the parent cell phone thing extremely interesting, especially with how phone reliance is usually discussed.

As for the second part, I answered it in another post. Probably not as nicely as I could’ve, but we can probably all agree, we’re not shifting state borders over any of this.
Oh I agree that state borders aren't going to shift because of this.  I'm just disagreeing that state laws don't impact our personal lives all that much.  In my experience, they do.  And of course another basic tenet of federalism in the USA, is that we're free to move to a place that more closely reflects our ideas of government policy.

I know several liberal-minded Texans who have recently moved to Colorado, specifically because they find the laws in that state to be more aligned to their views.

And of course there are people like badgerfan moving the other direction, away from more liberal-minded places, and toward more conservative places.


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causes me to wonder what percentage of folks moving are doing so for political reasons as the main reason
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Oh I agree that state borders aren't going to shift because of this.  I'm just disagreeing that state laws don't impact our personal lives all that much.  In my experience, they do.  And of course another basic tenet of federalism in the USA, is that we're free to move to a place that more closely reflects our ideas of government policy.

I know several liberal-minded Texans who have recently moved to Colorado, specifically because they find the laws in that state to be more aligned to their views.

And of course there are people like badgerfan moving the other direction, away from more liberal-minded places, and toward more conservative places.
Hmmm. If you feel you would live a meaningfully different daily life in New Mexico or California or Oklahoma because of how those states do things, then that’s fair. I’ve lived in five states and have yet to really find it.

And I suppose I was trying to get at the idea that finding the laws aligned is often a state of mind and feeling as much as anything else.

I do wonder why the school phone thing has kind of found a home in the conservative space. That seems random to me.

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do you mean banning kids from having cell phones in class?
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Hmmm. If you feel you would live a meaningfully different daily life in New Mexico or California or Oklahoma because of how those states do things, then that’s fair. I’ve lived in five states and have yet to really find it.

And I suppose I was trying to get at the idea that finding the laws aligned is often a state of mind and feeling as much as anything else.

I do wonder why the school phone thing has kind of found a home in the conservative space. That seems random to me.
I haven't really thought about it being a conservative thing, though perhaps it is?  Texas state leg and governor are certainly conservative.

I thought this particular issue was more about just being busy-bodies and creating solutions to problems that don't really exist...

But maybe cell phone distraction is a big deal in other districts?  It really isn't here, but I also live in a place where parents are engaged, setting boundaries and creating rules, and generally raising their kids.  If I heard from a teacher that my kid's cell phone or tablet or whatever was a distraction or an issue, then I'd take it away myself.  But that doesn't happen because teachers here are capable and empowered to manage it on their own.  If that's not true elsewhere, I can't speak to that.

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do you mean banning kids from having cell phones in class?
Basically. 

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do you mean banning kids from having cell phones in class?
Most teachers already don't allow cell phones to be out, and used, in class.  That has been enough, in our kids' schools.

This specifically is a statewide ban from allowing the device to enter the school, at all.  It also includes tablets, smart watches, and any personal computers that are not school-issued.

 

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