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MrNubbz

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45655 on: June 21, 2025, 10:30:23 AM »
Good to see another history nut :043:
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45656 on: June 21, 2025, 10:53:38 AM »
Most countries exist because Tribe A took the land from Tribe B.  A lot of more "primitive" societies didn't have a concept of country, or property of land, or boundaries.

Boundaries are largely a recent development.  The Roman Empire didn't have specific boundaries other than some geographic features.  The mideast didn't have boundaries before the British and French decided they needed them.


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45657 on: June 21, 2025, 10:56:09 AM »
Between January and July 1919, after “the war to end all wars,” men and women from around the world converged on Paris to shape the peace. Center stage, for the first time in history, was an American president, Woodrow Wilson, who with his Fourteen Points seemed to promise to so many people the fulfillment of their dreams. Stern, intransigent, impatient when it came to security concerns and wildly idealistic in his dream of a League of Nations that would resolve all future conflict peacefully, Wilson is only one of the larger-than-life characters who fill the pages of this extraordinary book. David Lloyd George, the gregarious and wily British prime minister, brought Winston Churchill and John Maynard Keynes. Lawrence of Arabia joined the Arab delegation. Ho Chi Minh, a kitchen assistant at the Ritz, submitted a petition for an independent Vietnam.

For six months, Paris was effectively the center of the world as the peacemakers carved up bankrupt empires and created new countries. This book brings to life the personalities, ideals, and prejudices of the men who shaped the settlement. They pushed Russia to the sidelines, alienated China, and dismissed the Arabs. They struggled with the problems of Kosovo, of the Kurds, and of a homeland for the Jews.

The peacemakers, so it has been said, failed dismally; above all they failed to prevent another war. Margaret MacMillan argues that they have unfairly been made the scapegoats for the mistakes of those who came later. She refutes received ideas about the path from Versailles to World War II and debunks the widely accepted notion that reparations imposed on the Germans were in large part responsible for the Second World War.

A landmark work of narrative history, Paris 1919 is the first full-scale treatment of the Peace Conference in more than twenty-five years. It offers a scintillating view of those dramatic and fateful days when much of the modern world was sketched out, when countries were created—Iraq, Yugoslavia, Israel—whose troubles haunt us still.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45658 on: June 21, 2025, 11:47:10 AM »
Leave it to the French to F things up.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45659 on: June 21, 2025, 08:19:08 PM »
Well crap.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45660 on: June 21, 2025, 09:49:04 PM »
Not what I wanted to see.  
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45661 on: June 21, 2025, 09:51:40 PM »
Yee haw.  

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45662 on: June 21, 2025, 10:15:36 PM »
I’m honestly laughing a bit. Not in a good way, but sometimes the absurdity shines through. 

Got a text about Bibi being pretty smart here, and I had to agree there. 

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45663 on: June 21, 2025, 10:48:59 PM »
Welp, we haven't learned a goddamn thing.  Let's bomb Iran.  


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45664 on: June 21, 2025, 10:57:25 PM »
Welp, we haven't learned a goddamn thing.  Let's bomb Iran. 


You can't make this shit up.
You must not have a very vivid imagination if you couldn't make that up. 

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45665 on: June 22, 2025, 07:00:39 AM »
Most countries exist because Tribe A took the land from Tribe B.  A lot of more "primitive" societies didn't have a concept of country, or property of land, or boundaries.

Boundaries are largely a recent development.  The Roman Empire didn't have specific boundaries other than some geographic features.  The mideast didn't have boundaries before the British and French decided they needed them.


Fauntleroys carving things up for themselves.

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Treaty of Versailles and President Wilson, 1919 and 1921:

The treaty would largely come to be seen as a failure for Woodrow Wilson, however. Congress, concerned about conceding individual power in order to become a member of the League of Nations, refused to ratify it. Wilson had been the driving force behind the League of Nations, and while the other signatories of the treaty embraced the League, American isolationism quashed enthusiasm for it at home.

 Woodrow Wilson did not fail. The outstanding thing for which he fought, the thing that transcends political and economic considerations, is the permanent peace of the world.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45666 on: June 22, 2025, 07:40:35 AM »
I can only hope for the best while fearing ...

Countries that don't have WoMDs may learn that you don't get attacked if you do.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45667 on: June 22, 2025, 07:47:16 AM »
Words can't describe how disappointed I am with Donald Trump 2.0.
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