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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45612 on: June 19, 2025, 05:14:24 PM »
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Thank you for responding to my post from the other thread here, given the nature of the response. :bravo_2:

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45613 on: June 19, 2025, 05:15:04 PM »
But of course!
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45614 on: June 19, 2025, 05:37:51 PM »
Just have everyone ditch their religion.

WORLD PEACE

Haha, just kidding. 
Then everyone will just come up with some other reason to perpetually fight.
most of the fighting with Israel and it's neighbors has had to with land, not religion. The godfather of Zionism- Theodor Herzl was a devout atheist and most of his followers who went on to actually found a Jewish state in Palestine were devout atheists or secular who didn't practice religion. 

In 1917 when the British Empire- who had zero authority to give away land that they were occupying that didn't belong to them, promised to support just exactly that at some point in the future with the Balfour Declaration- the population of Mandatory Palestine was 94% Arab and 6% Jewish. People can say "well those dirty Arabs should've just taken the UN partition plan" all they want- but the UN partition was merely a recommendation- there was nothing binding about it- and it was a completely ridiculous and ludicrous proposal which called for the Arabs which were 67% of the population and who owned around 90% of the land in Mandatory Palestine to receive around only 45% of the total land- of course they were going to reject this complete and utter nonsense. It was a complete non-starter.

The way that Israel was founded by the mass immigration of European Jews (most of which was illegal immigration and against British law) and the forced expulsion and relocation of roughly 750,000 indigenous Arabic peoples was always going to be a long term catastrophe for Israel and guarantee future conflict for oh-ever. It was never going to just go away quietly. You don't invade someones homeland evict them establish a country and take what's most precious to them- their land and expect they won't try to fight you back with everything they have for eternity. If you're Israel you have to either make peace with them or expel/kill them all. And I don't think anyone here would seriously support the latter.

this ain't about religion, this is about that.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45615 on: June 19, 2025, 05:48:16 PM »
Power and profit are the motivators behind war.  Sometimes religion is the dressing, but power and profit are always the motives.


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45617 on: June 19, 2025, 06:57:09 PM »
this made me LOL for some reason.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45618 on: June 19, 2025, 06:59:27 PM »
them AIPAC GOP checks done cleared....


https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1935500410686775748
 

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45619 on: June 19, 2025, 08:55:31 PM »
already seen the original, it was a disaster. hard pass on the sequel....


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45620 on: June 19, 2025, 08:56:54 PM »
Tel Aviv Ted is one dumb motherfucker...


https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1935726972555977192

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this is the equivalent of- dude I have a black friend therefore I can't ever be racist.


I highly doubt that an actual dyed in the wool "racist" would ever brag about having a black friend, unless of course that actual racist also happened to be black, at which point they might brag about only having black friends. 


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I would agree a lot of white folks will claim to have a "black friend" as evidence they aren't racist.  They may also claim other things in their lives mean they aren't racist, which often means that such focus on "proving" you aren't something suggests something else.

But, listing simple facts that are indeed facts don't indicate some point of view, it's simply factual information.  Do I think Israel currently is some "admirable democracy" with "clean hands"?  No, I don't, personally.  Am I against "Jews" as a group?  Nope.  Arabs as a group?  Nope.    Muslims?  Nope.  

I'm only really against Illinois Nazis.  They are the worst.

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I recall some Marines from 3/25 telling me they did summer training with Israelis a few years before their deployment to Iraq.  They told me the IDF would use tactics prohibited by our UCMJ (and probably international law, to the extent that matters).  They didn't get into specifics, but they said they couldn't do some things the IDF would do.  Does that make the IDF inherently evil?  No, but it suggests they get ... heavy handed?  They worry a lot less about civilian casualties than our military.  Their ROEs are more liberal.

We visited Israel for two days just after Egypt and Jordan and there is a large difference in terms of obvious infrastructure between those countries.

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the only person that can broker a deal between Israel & Iran is Trump

Trump would have to tell Netanyahu to ease up - probably won't happen
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