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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44646 on: May 12, 2025, 04:57:15 PM »
At least the Bee cuts both ways. 
They do good work.  As does the Onion.  Problem with both is when they lack material they just lean into their base.  Carlin once said comedy is about punching up, and I think that's why doing balanced comedy is tough.  The Bee joins South Park as the best comedy able to punch both ways.  As far as stand up goes, I think Bill Burr is there too.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44647 on: May 12, 2025, 05:12:15 PM »
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Gov. Gavin Newsom on Monday urged California cities to clear homeless encampments, escalating once again his efforts to address an intractable issue of his time in office: the makeshift tents that line underpasses, parks and local streets up and down the state.

Newsom’s administration drafted a local law that counties, cities and towns can directly adopt or modify to achieve the Democratic governor’s goals. He’s also releasing $3.3 billion in voter-approved funds to expand housing and treatment options for homeless residents.

“The time for inaction is over. There are no more excuses,” Newsom said in a statement.

Newsom, a former mayor of San Francisco, made tackling homelessness a priority of his administration when he took office in 2019 and since then, Democratic leaders in the state have also moved toward cracking down on encampments. The state accounts for a quarter of the homeless population in the United States, with more than 187,000 Californians in need of housing.
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« Reply #44648 on: May 12, 2025, 05:13:39 PM »
The typical asbestos-related mesothelioma is a cancer of the lining that holds your lungs. It's not actually a lung cancer, it's a cancer of the sack around your lungs. The lay-person version of what happens is that the cancer causes the sack to harden and grow inward, essentially slowly squeezing your lungs until you can no longer breath.

Asbestos fibers are apparently quite good at affixing themselves to the mesothelial sack, which, presumably, has something to do with attacking the cells in it.

Again, take this with a grain of salt, because by this time I might be basically ChatGPT, potentially hallucinating a string of things that sound good but were never actually covered in the training data.  

That's a good explanation and the only thing I'd add is that the fibers over time are damaging the tissue, creating scarring, which is what the hardening you mentioned is about.  The tissue can no longer expand and contract like it's supposed to, because it's all scar tissue, which is Not-Great for anything related to lungs.  I don't remember if it's the asbestos fibers themselves which ultimately cause mutation, or if it's the tissue scarring.  It's that scarring that takes decades, during which someone won't ever notice it, until one day they're more out of breath than they should be and don't understand why.  It's already game over at that point.  

Myself, I do not know a lot about asbestos uses, advantages, or what it would take to rid the world of it and how feasible that is or isn't.  I only know the patients who've been affected by it.  Or, should I say, I knew them.  And I despise the stuff.  Which is not to suggest any course of action, because that's territory far beyond what I'm qualified to comment on.  Just emotionally, I loathe asbestos.  

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« Reply #44650 on: May 12, 2025, 05:17:16 PM »
Our neighbor has prostate cancer and is undergoing proton treatment for it currently.  His prognosis he says is pretty good.

There is a proton therapy center about a mile south of us.

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« Reply #44652 on: May 12, 2025, 08:35:12 PM »
Again, take this with a grain of salt, because by this time I might be basically ChatGPT, potentially hallucinating a string of things that sound good but were never actually covered in the training data. 

That's a good explanation and the only thing I'd add is that the fibers over time are damaging the tissue, creating scarring, which is what the hardening you mentioned is about.  The tissue can no longer expand and contract like it's supposed to, because it's all scar tissue, which is Not-Great for anything related to lungs.  I don't remember if it's the asbestos fibers themselves which ultimately cause mutation, or if it's the tissue scarring.  It's that scarring that takes decades, during which someone won't ever notice it, until one day they're more out of breath than they should be and don't understand why.  It's already game over at that point. 

Myself, I do not know a lot about asbestos uses, advantages, or what it would take to rid the world of it and how feasible that is or isn't.  I only know the patients who've been affected by it.  Or, should I say, I knew them.  And I despise the stuff.  Which is not to suggest any course of action, because that's territory far beyond what I'm qualified to comment on.  Just emotionally, I loathe asbestos. 
What asbestos-related disease, and particularly mesothelimoa does to people is impossible to brush away. It's brutal.
Its applications to limit fire risk made a great deal of sense if you didn't know its risk, and most people didn't back when it was frequently used. There is still a debate among some people who believe it can be safely used, but that debate was lost in the mind of public opinion long ago. And reasonably so.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44653 on: May 12, 2025, 09:02:31 PM »
Unfortunately, this story missed May 4th by this much
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« Reply #44654 on: May 13, 2025, 10:15:27 AM »
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« Reply #44655 on: May 13, 2025, 10:15:56 AM »
What asbestos-related disease, and particularly mesothelimoa does to people is impossible to brush away. It's brutal.
Its applications to limit fire risk made a great deal of sense if you didn't know its risk, and most people didn't back when it was frequently used. There is still a debate among some people who believe it can be safely used, but that debate was lost in the mind of public opinion long ago. And reasonably so.

My department is moving across the street because we currently occupy an office with an IT division, and they're doing more hiring and need the rest of their room back.  The building across the street is slated for demolition and the only reason it still stands is because the library is being renovated for the next year, the upper floors of which are office space, and all of campus is playing musical chairs at the moment with people looking for places to work.  As soon as the library fully reopens, the building we're being moved to will be leveled.

I'm told there were asbestos related issues with the old building I'm referring to.  Since I'm being moved there, I have.......questions.  

I asked Mrs. DeT to refresh my memory, she said it's the fibers that cause cancer, not the scarring.  The scarring, which causes the inability to breathe, is just an extra bitch-slap on their way out, and they can die from either that or the cancer.  She reminded me that, basically, all disease begins with inflammation, and that cancer is no different, and those embedded fibers slowly scarring the tissue over the years inflames the tissue, which ultimately results in cell mutation.  Makes me wanna find an anti-inflammatory diet.  And drink lots of coffee.  

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« Reply #44656 on: May 13, 2025, 10:54:38 AM »
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« Reply #44657 on: May 13, 2025, 11:16:30 AM »
I'm interested to see how this thing with the pharma companies goes, re: forcing them to negotiate for prices.  My understanding is Trump tried this in his first term, got sued by the pharma bros and the courts sided with them, indicating his action was the purview of Congress, and not vested in the Executive.  (Big Pharma is notoriously interested in the separation of powers.  "We would sell our drugs for cheaper, you see, but unfortunately the Constitution just doesn't allow it!")  There's zero chance the administration doesn't get sued again, and they have to know that, which makes me wonder if they've gone about it a different way this time, or if his play is just what he said yesterday, that he really wants this folded into the reconciliation bill. 

If so, it's something Democrats have been on board with longer than Republicans, but I'm not counting any chickens here.  At this point, if Trump said to breathe, I think the Democrats would all hold their breath until they passed out.  As usual, he's his own worst enemy, and instead of just saying something like this has had increasing bipartisan support for a while, he basically dared the Democrats to vote against it.  Dumb move.  Never dare the current Democrats to do something just because it's not in their interest. 

A victory here would not be trivial.  Medicare is a massive part of federal spending, and a major part of that relates to drug costs.  If Medicare could negotiate prices, that actually matters, to the point where not even a wet blanket like CD could dismiss it.  I've been listening to Democratic/left-leaning pundits talk about this for some years, and when I got a peak at how it works from within the setting of a clinic, I agreed with them, and disagreed with the Republicans who had various BS reasons, I thought, for opposing it.  Granted, I don't underestimate the government's ability to finally achieve meaningful savings in an area and then find another pit to throw money we don't have into. 
 

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« Reply #44658 on: May 13, 2025, 11:27:00 AM »
the dems aren't gonna vote for anything Trump suggests - such as breathing
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« Reply #44659 on: May 13, 2025, 11:35:47 AM »
I think there's probably a lot of Republicans who might oppose this as well.  Buncha their coffers are filled with Pharma-bucks.  That said, if it were part of reconciliation, he'd just need a simple majority, and any level-headed Democrats and non-corrupt Republicans would help.

.....nevermind, I realized what I just said.  It's toast.  

 

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