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I think I would be fine with healthcare paid by Government - but not actually run by Government. They suck at it.

That's basically what Obama-care plans are, which in my clinical experience are.....not great.  The government doesn't administrate those plans, but they still run them in the sense that they design the healthcare policy.  Instead of "not run by the government" do you perhaps mean "the government doesn't direct policy for the plans?"  That would put the government pretty well hands-off, except why would the government foot the bill for something it has no say over?  If the government pays for a plan but other entities design and administrate it, that's basically subsidizing private healthcare.  Which I'm also generally not in favor of. 

I know it's tempting to see ways and workarounds by which the government can make healthcare better.  In reality, I don't see a good avenue for it, and I'm not impressed with the outcomes with attempts, anywhere--not just here--for government to make it "better," neither for the patients nor for the providers.   

Medicare and Medicaid, I admit, are not bad (imo) for what they are.  And at least at the moment, they're necessary, without better widespread alternatives, so I don't advocate for ending them.  For various reasons, they won't scale to the entire insurance sector.  As is, they provide a reasonable, mostly-workable option for both patients and providers.  Medicaid, less so, but it's better than nothing.   

The Brit system seems to be the one to avoid, entirely.  There, every health care worker is employed by the government (and not paid very well).  The wealthier Brits have to carry private health insurance so they can see private doctors before months go by.

The Brit system seems to be the one to avoid, entirely.  There, every health care worker is employed by the government (and not paid very well).  The wealthier Brits have to carry private health insurance so they can see private doctors before months go by.

Canada sucks as well.  They've run off all their doctors.  

Which has helped us, some.  The US has a dearth of MDs, anymore.  We've picked up some Canadian ones who can't make a worthwhile living there.  

We had some patients formerly from Canada.  The wait times to get a doctor there sound insane.  

Canada sucks as well.  They've run off all their doctors. 

Which has helped us, some.  The US has a dearth of MDs, anymore.  We've picked up some Canadian ones who can't make a worthwhile living there. 

We had some patients formerly from Canada.  The wait times to get a doctor there sound insane. 

The Canadians get some of their shit done here when they come down for 5 months. They clog up all the hospitals. I have no idea how they pay for what they get though. Out of pocket??

Someone reads this thread but won't post to it. 

This was suggested to me via PM.

Healthcare in Switzerland - Wikipedia

Obamacare on steroids, so to speak.

Socialism might be absolute by your definition, but socialistic is a relative term.

Most governments in Europe are more socialistic than is the American government, and that's enough of a working definition for most people, myself included.  The Democratic party tends to have more socialistic ideas and plans compared to the Republican party and again, that's a good enough working understanding for most people, myself included.

Nailed it.