header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


Author

Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

 (Read 3081632 times)

bayareabadger

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 9395
  • Liked:
Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42728 on: March 06, 2025, 11:56:12 AM »
We're opened up to a lot of things. Like a protester using his car to run over innocent people.
Charlottesville?

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 31316
  • Liked:
Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42729 on: March 06, 2025, 11:56:54 AM »
Charlottesville?
All over the world.

Waukesha too.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

NorthernOhioBuckeye

  • Starter
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 1245
  • Liked:
Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42730 on: March 06, 2025, 12:00:18 PM »
The intentionally violated the law on that bus. it meant the police were gonna be called, therefore someone’s commute going to be impeded.

I think there are certain times when protesters create those situations, and then I say that’s a bad beat for them. But if they’re not creating a dangerous situation, I’m less sympathetic to what feels like violent urges from drivers.

It also opens up the path to armed protesters defending themselves against pedal-happy drivers with different viewpoints, and that feels like a tricky road to go now
They are creating a dangerous situation. They don't know what my circumstances are, I might be taking my kid to the hospital with a serious injury. That fact of the matter is that THEY are creating a dangerous situation by standing in a road meant for others to use to drive. There are plenty of other places they can stand to protest. 

They don't need firearms to create a dangerous situation. Just the shear number of protestors willing to do violence is enough to put drivers imperil. However, if they begin arming themselves, that leads to over violations that quickly changes their actions from protesting to acts of terroism. 

I'm sorry, I just don't understand how you can rationalize allowing people to trample on other peoples rights just so they can exercise their rights. 

bayareabadger

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 9395
  • Liked:
Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42731 on: March 06, 2025, 12:02:47 PM »
All over the world.

Waukesha too.
I don’t think Waukesha was a protester? He was just a mentally ill person who wanted to hit people with his car. 

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 31316
  • Liked:
Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42732 on: March 06, 2025, 12:06:18 PM »
I don’t think Waukesha was a protester? He was just a mentally ill person who wanted to hit people with his car.
No.

Waukesha Christmas parade attack - Wikipedia
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

bayareabadger

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 9395
  • Liked:
Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42733 on: March 06, 2025, 12:10:40 PM »
I'm sorry, I just don't understand how you can rationalize allowing people to trample on other peoples rights just so they can exercise their rights.
I’m more coming from the standpoint of, there should be a very, very high bar for low-consequence intentionally hitting people with cars. 

As for trampling rights, this strikes me as a somewhat invented right. I don’t have a right to absolute freedom of movement in a car (hello stoplights). Those rights are usually somewhat limited. If a homeless person is having an episode in the crosswalk, I can’t run him over. If someone is standing in front of my car to be a dick, I likewise can’t run him over unless the circumstances get pretty dire. 

Im basically fine with arresting people on freeways. But I'm much more dicy on maiming them because the inconvenience you. 

bayareabadger

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 9395
  • Liked:
Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42734 on: March 06, 2025, 12:11:36 PM »
No.

Waukesha Christmas parade attack - Wikipedia
This seems like good evidence that hitting folks with cars is at its base not good. 

MrNubbz

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 20042
  • Liked:
Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42735 on: March 06, 2025, 12:18:12 PM »
I'm telling you the Poles get it.  They're smart, and they're fierce.  They really might be Europe's only real hope.
As I understand it the country is a very desirable landing spot with a pro Poland very stringent immigration stance
"Let us endeavor so to live - that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

jgvol

  • Team Captain
  • *******
  • Posts: 5884
  • Liked:
Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42736 on: March 06, 2025, 12:19:36 PM »
I’m more coming from the standpoint of, there should be a very, very high bar for low-consequence intentionally hitting people with cars.

As for trampling rights, this strikes me as a somewhat invented right. I don’t have a right to absolute freedom of movement in a car (hello stoplights). Those rights are usually somewhat limited. If a homeless person is having an episode in the crosswalk, I can’t run him over. If someone is standing in front of my car to be a dick, I likewise can’t run him over unless the circumstances get pretty dire.

Im basically fine with arresting people on freeways. But I'm much more dicy on maiming them because the inconvenience you.

What is your threshold for being inconvenienced?  

How long would a mob have to impede your progress before you couldn't bear it any longer?

NorthernOhioBuckeye

  • Starter
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 1245
  • Liked:
Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42737 on: March 06, 2025, 12:21:28 PM »
I’m more coming from the standpoint of, there should be a very, very high bar for low-consequence intentionally hitting people with cars.

As for trampling rights, this strikes me as a somewhat invented right. I don’t have a right to absolute freedom of movement in a car (hello stoplights). Those rights are usually somewhat limited. If a homeless person is having an episode in the crosswalk, I can’t run him over. If someone is standing in front of my car to be a dick, I likewise can’t run him over unless the circumstances get pretty dire.

Im basically fine with arresting people on freeways. But I'm much more dicy on maiming them because the inconvenience you.
I never suggested running someone over for "convenience", that is your own fabrication. As I stated earlier, people blocking roadways don't always know the circumstances of those using said roadway. The people that are LEGALLY using the roadway may have other factors that require them to be able to get to somewhere due to emergencies or other issues. 

The fact of the matter is, there are plenty of areas that these people could use to express their opinions. These protestors are simply attempting to inconvience as many people as they can to get their opinions heard. And the last I knew, you had the right to express your opinion, you don't have the right to force others to hear it. 

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 31316
  • Liked:
Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42738 on: March 06, 2025, 12:24:59 PM »
This seems like good evidence that hitting folks with cars is at its base not good.
In the Waukesha case, the guy's intention was to kill as many people as possible.

Much different than a major protest in Atlanta. (Which we avoided by delaying our trip.)
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

MrNubbz

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 20042
  • Liked:
Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42739 on: March 06, 2025, 12:51:39 PM »
The intentionally violated the law on that bus. it meant the police were gonna be called, therefore someone’s commute going to be impeded.

I think there are certain times when protesters create those situations, and then I say that’s a bad beat for them. But if they’re not creating a dangerous situation, I’m less sympathetic to what feels like violent urges from drivers.

It also opens up the path to armed protesters defending themselves against pedal-happy drivers with different viewpoints, and that feels like a tricky road to go now
I don't know that any one here was against Rosa Parks and her rights who dragged that in??? A very bad corollary and a non sequitur - apples/oranges. These protesters weren't getting the rights disregarded - quite the opposite. You seem sympathetic to squaters hindering/impeding others rights to free movement for professional and personal purposes. As long as it's not yours of course
    
"Let us endeavor so to live - that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

Riffraft

  • Starter
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 1499
  • Liked:
Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42740 on: March 06, 2025, 12:52:36 PM »

Or in my case, "Friedman against it?  I hate it." 

My eyes did glaze over in college econ classes, although I made good grades in them.  Now, I think, I'd probably enjoy learning economics much more. 

Incidentally, I really do think Thomas Sowell's "Basic Economics" should be required reading for everyone.  It's long, but do it anyway.  It's plain, useful, and somehow he managed to make it not-boring. 
Sowell is just a brilliant man. 

bayareabadger

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 9395
  • Liked:
Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42741 on: March 06, 2025, 12:57:05 PM »
What is your threshold for being inconvenienced? 

How long would a mob have to impede your progress before you couldn't bear it any longer?

I’ve gotten stuck in Atlanta rush hour traffic, so a while. 

 

Support the Site!
Purchase of every item listed here DIRECTLY supports the site.