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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42700 on: March 06, 2025, 09:31:00 AM »
I doubt France, UK, and Germany really need nukes to combat Russia

Russia can't even run over Ukraine

a bunch of air power and conventional missiles/artillery could subdue Russia
The THREAT of Russian nuclear weapon deployment is the only thing Putin has left. He forgot he doesn't have his great-granddaddy's Red Army (which was ~40% Ukrainian) when he invaded, his conventional army now needs North Koreans (yes, North Koreans) for more cannon fodder, their armor is junk, Russia's demographics are worse, and so is his ability to domestically finance the war. 

There's also starvation and bread lines, but Russians have 500 years of misery bred into their DNA. 

And now, the actions of the White House seem that they're hell bent on getting the US into the war on the Russian side. JFC.

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« Reply #42701 on: March 06, 2025, 09:34:16 AM »
And now, the actions of the White House seem that they're hell bent on getting the US into the war on the Russian side. JFC.
Wut?
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« Reply #42702 on: March 06, 2025, 09:40:00 AM »
we're talkin bout Russia keeping ground in Ukraine that they currently hold or moving back to the original border line
We're talkin bout an end to this war in Ukraine

we're not talkin bout France invading Russia, or Russia invading France, or Ukraine invading Russia or the US sending troops to fight on the Russian side of the line

hopefully, nukes won't be involved 
I haven't heard Putin threatening with Nukes

I doubt a few thousand North Koreans are the reason the Russians weren't push back to the border
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« Reply #42703 on: March 06, 2025, 09:41:02 AM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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« Reply #42704 on: March 06, 2025, 09:43:05 AM »
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« Reply #42705 on: March 06, 2025, 09:44:09 AM »
hopefully, nukes won't be involved
I haven't heard Putin threatening with Nukes
Putin issues nuclear warning to the West over strikes on Russia from Ukraine | CNN
Putin issues nuclear warning to the West over strikes on Russia from Ukraine | CNN

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« Reply #42706 on: March 06, 2025, 09:44:16 AM »
I'm of a split mind about protests, but ultimately come down on the side of finding the declarations about "illegal" protests generally bad.


On the one hand, I find a lot of protests to be hollow and run by somewhat stupid people who undercut their own causes (many of these pro-Palistinian ones fit into that box). They also obviously can regularly spill out into mayhem and nonsense and attract some real bad actors.

But it's also worth noting, creating incentives to suppress protests seems like a step toward suppressing the speech that undergirds the act of protest in general. Part of our country's national mythos involves people hiding their identities and destroying private property. We even named a right wing movement after it about 15 years ago. And as annoying as it is, plenty of good and honorable protests inconvenience bystanders. People were late for work because of Rosa Parks. Locals probably wanted to use the Edmund Pettus Bridge one Sunday, and found it occupied (also probably found the blood on the pavement the next day unsettling). These are realities of free speech in our nation.

That doesn't mean you just give a free pass to illegal acts, though you should handle them as makes sense. But creating this disincentive to allow a certain kind of free speech would move us farther down a road people who actually care about rights should be worried about.


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« Reply #42707 on: March 06, 2025, 09:54:48 AM »
I haven't heard Putin threatening with Nukes

I believe shortly before the end of the Biden administration when we sanctioned the launching of missiles into Russia by providing launch codes for weapons we provided, Russia responded by launching a hypersonic missile which, while not armed with nukes, is the same missile they would use to launch nukes, reportedly.  He also lowered their bar for nuclear engagement at that time in their official policy. 

A source, because CD doesn't like it when people say things without citing a source.
A source, because CD doesn't like it when people say things without citing a source.  

I know, I know.....CNN....  Other people reported it too.  Just the first thing that popped up.  

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« Reply #42708 on: March 06, 2025, 09:58:57 AM »
Detailing flagging profits from his art sales, Biden said that while he had sold 27 artworks for an average price of roughly $54,500 in the two or three years leading up to the lawsuit, he had only sold one piece of art for $36,000 since then.
Biden also described a slump in book sales, saying he went from selling more than 3,100 copies of his book from April through September 2023, when the lawsuit was filed, to about 1,100 over the six-month period that followed.
NBC News has reported extensively on Biden’s financial troubles and efforts to secure additional income, including a legal defense fund that ultimately did not get off the ground.
Biden was found guilty on federal gun charges last year, and he pleaded guilty in a federal tax case. President Joe Biden pardoned him shortly before he was scheduled to be sentenced in the gun case in December.




Daddy's gone.  The influence peddling market has dried up.


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« Reply #42709 on: March 06, 2025, 10:05:21 AM »
Putin issues nuclear warning to the West over strikes on Russia from Ukraine | CNN
yes, as a deterrent to strikes on Russian soil
is France or Germany threatening strikes on Russia?
seems like saber rattling to me
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« Reply #42710 on: March 06, 2025, 10:11:14 AM »
I'm of a split mind about protests, but ultimately come down on the side of finding the declarations about "illegal" protests generally bad.


On the one hand, I find a lot of protests to be hollow and run by somewhat stupid people who undercut their own causes (many of these pro-Palistinian ones fit into that box). They also obviously can regularly spill out into mayhem and nonsense and attract some real bad actors.

But it's also worth noting, creating incentives to suppress protests seems like a step toward suppressing the speech that undergirds the act of protest in general. Part of our country's national mythos involves people hiding their identities and destroying private property. We even named a right wing movement after it about 15 years ago. And as annoying as it is, plenty of good and honorable protests inconvenience bystanders. People were late for work because of Rosa Parks. Locals probably wanted to use the Edmund Pettus Bridge one Sunday, and found it occupied (also probably found the blood on the pavement the next day unsettling). These are realities of free speech in our nation.

That doesn't mean you just give a free pass to illegal acts, though you should handle them as makes sense. But creating this disincentive to allow a certain kind of free speech would move us farther down a road people who actually care about rights should be worried about.

Blanket statements about disallowing protests is stupid, unconstitutional (imo), and contradicts the values of a lot of people who voted for the current administration.  In fact, many right-wing voters complained about bad steps being taken in the wrong direction under the previous administration regarding that very thing.  

I don't like Neo-Nazis, but on principle I will support their right to a public forum.  Actually, a while back I thought about it and decided it's really better if all the idiots are allowed to say what they're really thinking.  If you're a racist restaurant owner, I don't want the government to shut down your speech or your restaurant.  In fact, I'd rather you just put a sign on your door saying "I'm racist, only whites can eat here."  That way I know exactly which restaurants to avoid, choosing not to give my money to them.  If the government silences them, how do I know which restaurant to stay away from?  

Anyway.  The problem with a lot of the pro-Palestinean/pro-Hamas/anti-Semitic protests on campuses was not their free speech, it was their chants for violence--which is not constitutionally allowed, in my understanding--and in some cases actual violence.  

So the message ought to be "Protestors who shout threats toward others, veiled or overt, won't be tolerated."  What Trump's tweets, or whatever you call them, that were reposted here came off like, was "No protests allowed at all."  

Given everything I know about him, I suspect that's not what he means and certainly not what he'll try to do, but the messaging is bad, and wrong-headed.  It's also likely with him that he's merely vying for popularity points with a segment of his base, in which case, it's still bad, and wrong-headed.  

I maintain that Trump is all the ammunition that Trump-haters need to cry foul and gnash their teeth.  I don't know why the Left wastes their time lying about stuff.  Everything they need to criticize him, he does for them for free.  

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« Reply #42711 on: March 06, 2025, 10:11:21 AM »
I'm of a split mind about protests, but ultimately come down on the side of finding the declarations about "illegal" protests generally bad.


On the one hand, I find a lot of protests to be hollow and run by somewhat stupid people who undercut their own causes (many of these pro-Palistinian ones fit into that box). They also obviously can regularly spill out into mayhem and nonsense and attract some real bad actors.

But it's also worth noting, creating incentives to suppress protests seems like a step toward suppressing the speech that undergirds the act of protest in general. Part of our country's national mythos involves people hiding their identities and destroying private property. We even named a right wing movement after it about 15 years ago. And as annoying as it is, plenty of good and honorable protests inconvenience bystanders. People were late for work because of Rosa Parks. Locals probably wanted to use the Edmund Pettus Bridge one Sunday, and found it occupied (also probably found the blood on the pavement the next day unsettling). These are realities of free speech in our nation.

That doesn't mean you just give a free pass to illegal acts, though you should handle them as makes sense. But creating this disincentive to allow a certain kind of free speech would move us farther down a road people who actually care about rights should be worried about.
Free speech is one thing, occupying and defacing buildings and trespassing is another. 

If someone wants to wear clothing with their views on display, carry a sign or yell about their cause, have at it. However, when your freedom of speech intrudes on my abilty to move about the town/city/state freely, it is no longer protected. When people stand in the road and don't allow people to navigate freely because they are upset with whatever they are upset about, they are now stomping on my rights. And I'm afraid at that point they become nothing but a speed bump. 

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« Reply #42712 on: March 06, 2025, 10:17:44 AM »
re tariffs: 


https://twitter.com/endwokeness/status/1897493575966879763?s=46&t=WlnuR3MuiobA8aA_izh4EQ


they will be hurt much harder by the tariffs than we will. companies & people in US will just buy products from other sources or US made instead- which will cause Mexico’s & Canada’s economies serious pain. 

They are completely dependent upon us.

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« Reply #42713 on: March 06, 2025, 10:24:19 AM »
Free speech is one thing, occupying and defacing buildings and trespassing is another.

If someone wants to wear clothing with their views on display, carry a sign or yell about their cause, have at it. However, when your freedom of speech intrudes on my abilty to move about the town/city/state freely, it is no longer protected. When people stand in the road and don't allow people to navigate freely because they are upset with whatever they are upset about, they are now stomping on my rights. And I'm afraid at that point they become nothing but a speed bump.
So by this logic, Rosa Parks lightly violated the rights of a few dozen people?

(The fantasizing about driving over people kind of strikes me as a little weird, but hey, it is allowed)

 

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