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There is no consensus among economic and financial scholars regarding the effects of tariffs.  As you have all noted, they are quite complicated.  There are just too many economic, financial, political, and social ramifications, to review accurately their ultimate effects.

In general though I'd say they're to be avoided if at all possible, and rather, domestic incentives to achieve the desired effects, are better for longterm economic viability.  But that's just, like, my opinion, man.

Probably true, but if a main focus of the tariffs is to get those nations to do their part stopping the enormous daily flow of fentanyl into the US, not sure there are any domestic incentives. 

by the way this war of the words with Canada- I am loving it. they want to cancel their trips to Florida....PLEASE DO FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. That will show the US! Do it! Please!

these dumb maple syrup slupring monkeys come down here from Dec-April just congesting the roads and driving like absolute retards going slow in the fast lane and not using blinkers and getting all confused on the highways cause they don't know the exits or express lanes or where they are going because they are on their gps to get anywhere.

Forget tariffs, I would love it if we could deport and then ban all Canadians from coming into Florida forever.

One more month, thankfully.

It took me 90 minutes to travel 20 miles yesterday. Should be about 30 minutes. Lots of Ontario here now. GO HOME!

One more month, thankfully.

It took me 90 minutes to travel 20 miles yesterday. Should be about 30 minutes. Lots of Ontario here now. GO HOME!

US sucks so much but these fuckers won't stop coming here....

Probably true, but if a main focus of the tariffs is to get those nations to do their part stopping the enormous daily flow of fentanyl into the US, not sure there are any domestic incentives.

Man, the free market (for fentanyl) really is a powerful thing. 

call me crazy, but I actually think Stephen A Smith could win the Presidential election in 2028 as a Democrat....

You're crazy.

But more likely was Russia's (1) desire for a warm water port; and (2) Putin's belief that his military would achieve his objective in a matter of days, which--like with Crimea--would lead to a new reality that the "West" was not prepared to shed blood over. That didn't happen, and ever since Putin has needed an exit that didn't expose what a blunder he's made.

The first part I just said, and the second part I said on this board about two years ago.  MFer, I warned you about agreeing with me.  At this point I have no choice but to consider you a full-fledged, Reagan-loving, red-state fantasizing, elephant-riding conservative.  

I read an interesting thought piece in Foreign Affairs the other day focused on how a Trump presidency could help lead to an acceptable outcome for Ukraine. The author's point was that because Trump very clearly does not believe in the traditional U.S. committment to an ordered Europe, he might be a more welcome negotiating partner--one that Putin (and Xi) believe is more likely to come to the table without the standard U.S. preconditions about maintaining existing borders, which could--if Trump isn't a pushover for Putin--lead to a realistic outcome that hasn't been available because of the existing U.S. preconditions. It is an optimistic take, and maybe that's where we are headed. After last weekend, I'm not holding my breath.

I've been thinking about that a lot since Vance's speech in Munich a couple weeks back.  Not Trump's view of Europe, but mine, moreso.  I think I'm guilty of continuing on with something I once thought about without stopping to check and see if the same conditions still hold, and therefore if something is still a good idea.  

I don't advocate for drastic moves over short periods of time (the old joke is the conservative chant is "Whaddo we want?  Incremental change!  When do we want it?  In due course!").  But it does seem that the values of a number of western European countries are changing, and it's probable that I need to re-evaluate my thoughts on them accordingly.  Maybe a less "American" country deserves a bit less consideration in national ties.  Or maybe not.  Need to stick it in the skull-AI and see what it spits out.  

I wonder if we should view it as a "free market" given its addictive properties. 

That would be a way to do it, though it would basically alter the meaning of the phrase in a drastic way.