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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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longhorn320

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41580 on: January 31, 2025, 02:48:48 PM »
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« Reply #41581 on: January 31, 2025, 03:00:05 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on January 31, 2025, 01:53:20 PM
I know there are bachelors degrees that are essentially professional degrees (engineering is the most obvious to me), but most people do not work in their "field of study." The traditional point of a bachelor's degree is not to be a professional degree, but to show a level of competence evaluating and thinking through problems. It's training the mind, not teaching a specific skill. That is true of the hard sciences almost as much as it is true of the liberal arts.

I have a great deal of respect for engineers--two of my immediate family members are engineers--but studying the liberal arts has a long history of preparing people for successful careers. 
In many cases, this is also true of engineers. The difference--and IMHO where it's analogous to the hard sciences--is that the education teaching specific ways of thinking that are much more directly related to the eventual career than the liberal arts. 

But much like those other majors, you learn how to do your job largely by actually learning your job, on the job. It's just that the field is so specialized that it would be impossible to even start doing the job without the domain-specific base ways of thinking. 

I might argue this is even the same for things like medicine. In medicine your education sets the stage, but then you embark on a long period of residency where you're actually applying the knowledge in real situations, but under the watchful eye of the doctors who run the residency program. It's not like you go to medical school and you come out and you're able to just start your own practice. 
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41582 on: January 31, 2025, 03:04:10 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on January 31, 2025, 02:48:48 PM
Why was the helicopter flying at 1200 feet?  I thought they had a restriction of only 200 feet
I have read it was at 400 feet, but above its 200 feet limit.  I simply cannot imagine why a 200 foot separation vertically would be standard.

Something is wrong there I think.
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« Reply #41583 on: January 31, 2025, 03:59:05 PM »
This analysis is consistent with my initial thought: clear US Army helicopter pilot error. That pains me because of the amount of time I've spent in Blackhawks (as a passenger). I had heard the audio in which the helo pilot accepts visual. I hadn't heard the suggestion that is made here, that he probably was looking at a plane behind the one he was supposed to see. Makes sense. But doesn't excuse it.
Damn. This sucks.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41584 on: January 31, 2025, 04:03:10 PM »
Would a vertical clearance of only 200 feet make any sense here as standard?

I really can't imagine passing over another aircraft 200 feet below me in a civilian flight without it being a near miss and not standard.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41585 on: January 31, 2025, 05:04:51 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on January 31, 2025, 01:53:20 PM
I know there are bachelors degrees that are essentially professional degrees (engineering is the most obvious to me), but most people do not work in their "field of study." The traditional point of a bachelor's degree is not to be a professional degree, but to show a level of competence evaluating and thinking through problems. It's training the mind, not teaching a specific skill. That is true of the hard sciences almost as much as it is true of the liberal arts.

I have a great deal of respect for engineers--two of my immediate family members are engineers--but studying the liberal arts has a long history of preparing people for successful careers. 

It's the end of the world......we've agreed again.

It's gotten way too expensive, and unnecessarily so, but I've also found that a lot of people conflate going to college with being prepared for a job.  In the ways you mentioned, that's true, but also--traditionally--you went to university to become a more well-rounded person.  Trade schools, while scoffed at by some educated types, are more along the lines of what people think universities are meant to be.  

That said, people obviously learn a lot of good stuff at college that may indeed be useful, either directly or indirectly, on a job one day.  As y'all mentioned, the hard sciences are geared a little more specifically in that regard.  
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« Reply #41586 on: January 31, 2025, 05:08:40 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on January 31, 2025, 03:00:05 PM
I might argue this is even the same for things like medicine. In medicine your education sets the stage, but then you embark on a long period of residency where you're actually applying the knowledge in real situations, but under the watchful eye of the doctors who run the residency program. It's not like you go to medical school and you come out and you're able to just start your own practice.

Mrs. DeTiger says her schooling was brutal and they actively try to wash people out.  She also says when she finished, she was nowhere near ready to be let loose in the wild with patients.  I know quite a few people in medicine from a variety of specialties and they all, without exception, say the same thing.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41587 on: January 31, 2025, 05:14:09 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on January 31, 2025, 05:08:40 PM
Mrs. DeTiger says her schooling was brutal and they actively try to wash people out.  She also says when she finished, she was nowhere near ready to be let loose in the wild with patients.  I know quite a few people in medicine from a variety of specialties and they all, without exception, say the same thing.
Yeah, the Mrs is the office manager for an internal medicine practice. One of her doctors runs the residency program for one of the hospitals in Long Beach, so they get residents who shadow at the practice. My wife isn't a doctor, but after 2 decades+ in the business she can tell that some of them are competent and some of them are... not.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41588 on: January 31, 2025, 05:49:12 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 31, 2025, 04:03:10 PM
Would a vertical clearance of only 200 feet make any sense here as standard?

I really can't imagine passing over another aircraft 200 feet below me in a civilian flight without it being a near miss and not standard.
I agree with this post, except that "near miss" is a misnomer. In my book close encounters such as these would be "near hits."
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41589 on: January 31, 2025, 05:56:08 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 31, 2025, 09:10:26 AM
A history major with nothing else has a basic college degree, which is fine, but they likely won't be working in that area.
Guess we should scrap the "Weird History" thread that some nut job started

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41590 on: January 31, 2025, 06:37:19 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on January 31, 2025, 05:04:51 PM
It's the end of the world......we've agreed again.
This is getting out of hand.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41591 on: January 31, 2025, 06:38:16 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on January 31, 2025, 05:08:40 PM
Mrs. DeTiger says her schooling was brutal and they actively try to wash people out.  She also says when she finished, she was nowhere near ready to be let loose in the wild with patients.  I know quite a few people in medicine from a variety of specialties and they all, without exception, say the same thing.
Frankly, not all that different from lawyers, law school, and passing the bar (except that we won't cut the wrong organ out...).
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« Reply #41592 on: January 31, 2025, 06:45:35 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on January 31, 2025, 10:57:09 AM
We could simply not engage with that, and we would all probably be happier.
Yep.
Cast your vote, then put your head in the sand.
Got it.
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« Reply #41593 on: January 31, 2025, 07:45:19 PM »
My head's most definitely not in the sand, but pointing out every stupid thing that a guy who routinely says stupid thing says isn't going to be good for my mental health, or my relationships with people who have already decided that the stupid things that that guy says aren't as important to them as other issues.
And I'm sure that picking these fights with people I would otherwise like to call friends--even if awkward [outdated] message board friends--isn't going to make me happier, and is very unlikely to change their minds.
There are times that I would like to better understand their opposing views. And there are times that I think I might be able to help them see things from a different perspective. But yelling into the void (or into this message board) ain't gonna help.
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