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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #39270 on: November 11, 2024, 06:31:34 PM »
we have hope
Don't worry, the tariffs will remove that real quick.  Round 2 of crazy inflation, coming right up!
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« Reply #39271 on: November 11, 2024, 06:47:58 PM »
Don't worry, the tariffs will remove that real quick.  Round 2 of crazy inflation, coming right up!
dont agree
the tariffs will boost US companies and do a lot more good then bad
Biden had so many under the table deals with China increasing tariffs was out of the question
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« Reply #39272 on: November 11, 2024, 07:09:35 PM »
“There’s a lot of inflationary pressure in his promises,” says Simon Johnson, one of the 2024 winners of the Nobel Prize in Economics and a professor at MIT’s Sloan School of Business.

Trump has said he would enact tariffs of 60% on goods from China and tariffs of at least 10% on all imports into the U.S. The cost of those tariffs will be paid by consumers buying the imported goods. The President-elect said he would oversee the biggest mass deportation of undocumented people in U.S. history, which could lead to labor shortages in industries like agriculture. He’s also pledging more tax cuts, which could boost consumption, setting off more inflation.

Put together, economists say his proposals could drive up the costs of apparel, toys, appliances, and food. Trump’s own allies have sometimes acknowledged as much in the lead-up to the election; Elon Musk, for example, warned of “temporary hardship” for ordinary Americans as Trump enacts his plans, including government spending cuts.

Trump has consistently advocated for imposing tariffs on imported goods in an effort to keep manufacturing in the U.S. The amounts he’s proposed have been as high as 60% on goods from China, 25% on goods from Mexico, and 10%-20% on goods from everywhere else.

While Trump has claimed that foreign countries pay these tariffs, in reality, the importer pays them, absorbs what they can, and passes the rest on to the consumer. The Budget Lab at Yale has estimated that the Trump tariffs would initially drive up consumer prices by up to 5.1%.

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #39273 on: November 11, 2024, 07:20:20 PM »
dont agree
the tariffs will boost US companies and do a lot more good then bad
Biden had so many under the table deals with China increasing tariffs was out of the question
longhorn or a nobel prize winner......longhorn or a nobel prize winner.......hmmmm
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #39274 on: November 11, 2024, 07:28:25 PM »
my question regarding tariffs...........

what is done with the money collected?
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #39275 on: November 11, 2024, 07:36:50 PM »
Tariff monies geneally go to the general Treasury.  They can be allocated to specific groups that might be harmed by a tariff.

Republicans historically have been in favor of free trade, not tariffs.  It's pretty obvious one intent is to raise the price of imported goods, which CAN make domestic production more competitive, but that also would be at the higher price to the consumer.  This also would require Congress to act, probably also needing cloture in the Senate.

I still see both parties spending like crazy one way or the other, the notion Trump will cut spending with Elon is, to me, fantasy world.  It certainly didn't happen in his first term.  Service on the debt .....

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« Reply #39276 on: November 11, 2024, 08:02:07 PM »
there are currently tariffs on Chinese fiber optic cable that I sell (15-20%)

and many other products from foriegn countries

this has not caused the price of fiber to increase - it has reduced the profit to the Chinese company
(yes OAM, just a single instance)

I'd guess tariffs need to be applied carefully and strategically for different products
Some blanket 60% on everything from China isn't going to work 
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« Reply #39277 on: November 11, 2024, 08:04:25 PM »
my question regarding tariffs...........

what is done with the money collected?
FREE PARKING, duh!
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« Reply #39278 on: November 11, 2024, 08:05:36 PM »


I'd guess tariffs need to be applied carefully and strategically for different products

Oh good, Trump's strength:  nuance.

Let's put a 60% tariff on everything in Wal-Mart and see how that goes, because that's what'll happen if he gets his way.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #39280 on: November 11, 2024, 08:27:21 PM »
A little birdie shared this with me...
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #39281 on: November 11, 2024, 09:36:37 PM »
The trade war thing is interesting because it shows that a lot of folks are pretty flexible in terms of feelings on inflation. 

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« Reply #39282 on: November 11, 2024, 09:48:08 PM »
FREE PARKING, duh!
as long as it doesn't go to paying student loans
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #39283 on: November 11, 2024, 09:54:36 PM »
Don't worry, the tariffs will remove that real quick.  Round 2 of crazy inflation, coming right up!
We shall see.   There will be many more variables in play, not the least of which is tax policy and energy policy and costs, and consumer optimism.  
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