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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #38514 on: October 28, 2024, 02:26:13 PM »
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« Reply #38515 on: October 28, 2024, 03:49:22 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 28, 2024, 02:17:23 PM
Probably many, and you'd need to follow the actual money. A publisher is going to randomly pay some jerk $5 Million for a book that nobody will buy to buy influence. What influence would a publisher need?

I believe the publishers are simply the money laundries here. Congress will not investigate that, for obvious reasons.
That’s possibly true, but political books are also relatively big sellers. And if the politician is the right level of famous, they are reliable, big sellers, which is what publishers want.

(i’m sure no small part of that is the politicians office turns around and buys a boatload of copies to give away and have that rallies or whatever, but that is money for the publisher, regardless)
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« Reply #38516 on: October 28, 2024, 03:57:09 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on October 28, 2024, 03:49:22 PM
That’s possibly true, but political books are also relatively big sellers. And if the politician is the right level of famous, they are reliable, big sellers, which is what publishers want.

(i’m sure no small part of that is the politicians office turns around and buys a boatload of copies to give away and have that rallies or whatever, but that is money for the publisher, regardless)
Their campaigns buy them and give them away for donations. Ted Cruz' book will set you back $77.00 for a donation.

How is this shit legal?
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« Reply #38517 on: October 28, 2024, 05:06:06 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 28, 2024, 03:57:09 PM
Their campaigns buy them and give them away for donations. Ted Cruz' book will set you back $77.00 for a donation.

How is this shit legal?
How is it legal to ask for a $77 donation and then give someone a book?
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« Reply #38518 on: October 28, 2024, 05:10:34 PM »
It appears Cruz at one point got $320,000 for a book advance, then his campaign bought $150,000 of that book. But that’s only legal his royalties for the book are donated to charity. 
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« Reply #38519 on: October 28, 2024, 10:33:03 PM »
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« Reply #38520 on: October 28, 2024, 10:39:29 PM »
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« Reply #38521 on: October 29, 2024, 06:37:13 AM »
There are several ways someone with purported influence in politics can benefit.  Take the Clinton Foundation for example, I think it's entirely legal, and maybe at times it does some good, somewhere, maybe, but it's a way for corporations to "funnel" money to an interest of the Clintons in hopes she would become President and they would have a voice.  It also hired a lot of folks to "work" for the CF when she was not running, and then they became part of her campaign staff, she had an army in waiting, being paid.

Of course, any charity can run this kind of scam, hiring some VP who is a daughter of someone in politics, and paying her a huge salary.

The book gambit is one of the easiest of course and most widely used.  Often the books are barely written by the principal.
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« Reply #38522 on: October 29, 2024, 07:01:13 AM »
From my daily NYT feed:

The working-class majority holds a complex set of views. It tends to be deeply dissatisfied with the country’s direction and to want sweeping change. It leans left on economic policies, like Medicare and Social Security, while worrying about government overreach. It leans isolationist on foreign policy. It tends to be wary of trade and immigration and to feel positively about the military and the police.

Donald Trump managed to take over the Republican Party in 2016, and then win the presidency, with help from his gut feel for working-class politics (despite his own wealth). He defied Republican orthodoxy by criticizing trade and immigration while promising not to cut Medicare and Social Security. If he wins again this year, it will be partly by appealing to people whom Democrats wrongly imagined as loyal progressives — including Black, Latino, Asian American and younger voters. Social class, as Scammon and Wattenberg suggested, can be an even better predictor of a person’s vote than race or age.
Much of Kamala Harris’s 2024 campaign is also consistent with their arguments. After adopting fiercely liberal positions four years ago, she has reversed course and changed her positions on immigration, fracking and more. Her ads describe her as “a border state prosecutor.” She emphasizes patriotism and economic populism.
Still, it’s a tricky pivot: More Americans describe Harris as “too liberal” (44 percent) than describe Trump as “too conservative” (32 percent), according to a New York Times/Siena College poll last month. I know that many people find that comparison hard to fathom. “The Real Majority” helps make sense of it.

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« Reply #38523 on: October 29, 2024, 07:13:17 AM »
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« Reply #38524 on: October 29, 2024, 07:59:59 AM »
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« Reply #38525 on: October 29, 2024, 08:09:25 AM »
so, only a handful of nerds have read it
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« Reply #38526 on: October 29, 2024, 08:19:39 AM »
I had to try and read parts of it, let's say it's not easy to read, and understand, at all.  I read pretty fast usually, not this stuff.

It will have footnotes and often you need to go read them as well.
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« Reply #38527 on: October 29, 2024, 08:22:20 AM »
On occasion, I would have some dealings with some small company that professed to have something of interest, one I recall was in CA.  They had maybe 30 employees, and the CA signs about carcinogens were on every door.  The President said it was because they had ethanol.

I asked him how they managed OSHA regulations, and he said "I don't know of any.".  A small company doesn't have the resources to deal with that mess.  So they don't.  He did know OSHA existed, he didn't think they had any purview over their labs, he was wrong.  

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