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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #38080 on: October 17, 2024, 11:54:53 AM »
I find it odd that the only people complaining about how the Democrats replaced their candidate are folks who are going to vote for the Republican.

I mean, if she's such a bad candidate, shouldn't you be HAPPY that she's the replacement? If the Democratic voters were really upset about how their new candidate was selected, I'd think they'd stay home in protest and not vote for her.

Unfortunately, I think I know what is really happening here. You're all just mad that the playbook got flipped. As long as Biden was in the race, you could be happy about your guy facing the old, senile candidate. Now your guy is the old, senile candidate.
No because I’d rather vote for somebody who more closely aligns with my values. I feel like we were robbed of being able to choose as a people what candidate we vote for, instead the DNC elites like Pelosi picked their horse. 

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« Reply #38082 on: October 17, 2024, 11:59:39 AM »
I find it odd that the only people complaining about how the Democrats replaced their candidate are folks who are going to vote for the Republican.

I mean, if she's such a bad candidate, shouldn't you be HAPPY that she's the replacement? If the Democratic voters were really upset about how their new candidate was selected, I'd think they'd stay home in protest and not vote for her.

Unfortunately, I think I know what is really happening here. You're all just mad that the playbook got flipped. As long as Biden was in the race, you could be happy about your guy facing the old, senile candidate. Now your guy is the old, senile candidate.

I know a few democrats who are not pleased with how things shook down. So, I would not overgeneralize it that manner.

I have yet to make up my mind on who I will vote for, but I do know who I'm not voting for.
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« Reply #38083 on: October 17, 2024, 12:03:16 PM »
I can see that more moderate Democrats might well not like the selection or the process, folks who thought Biden was OK.  Most likely will vote "against DJT", or not vote.  I agree that Republicans who complain about it should be delighted, though as I noted, it's not clear to me that another nationally prominent candidate would be better.

I could name some Republicans I might vote FOR, not many, but a few.

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« Reply #38084 on: October 17, 2024, 12:14:01 PM »
Two things:
1) Pelosi did not pick Kamala. Word on the well-informed street is that she wanted some competition, and was surprised at how fast Kamala shored up her support. What Pelosi did want--and got--was Biden dropping out.

2) Speaking as a left-leaning, but not "progressive" Democrat, I would have much preferred a normal primary to this. I don't think Harris would have won the nomination that way (and I wouldn't have voted for her). That said, her role is literally to take over when the President can't do something, so it's not a crazy outcome for her to take over for him in the election when all of the influencers in the party are telling him to back out. On the plus side, it's very possible that the Democrats came up with a more centrist Democrat because they didn't use the primary process. This is how Schwarzenneger became the last Republican to win statewide office in California--he didn't have to run in a primary, he ran as the replacement for a recall vote. He never would have made it through a Republican primary; he was too centrist. I know people here claim that Harris is far to the left; she isn't. Did she move left in the primary in 2020? Yes, but even then she wasn't nearly as far to the left as several other mainstream Democrats. And that's what candidates do in primaries--emphasize their credentials for the base; then in the general they move back to the center. I can't think of a politician--Trump included--who hasn't done this. This idea that she's a progressive is flat wrong. It's a good narrative for the right, but they would say that about any Democrat--like Walz, for instance. 

I'll vote for her now, and it's not even a remotely close question. Honestly (and I recognize I live in a bubble out here on the left coast), it is very hard for me to understand how this election is close. But I suppose people on the other side think the same thing. And no, you don't need to try to convince me why I'm seeing this wrong. :-)

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« Reply #38085 on: October 17, 2024, 12:15:48 PM »
No because I’d rather vote for somebody who more closely aligns with my values. I feel like we were robbed of being able to choose as a people what candidate we vote for, instead the DNC elites like Pelosi picked their horse.
Yeah, but I'd say you were robbed by [Jill] Biden thinking he [Joe] was well enough to run for reelection. Not by the "DNC elites". 

There was no time for the Democrats to run a primary after the debate. It was Joe releasing his delegates before the convention, and then those delegates were free to vote for whoever they wanted, but they all coalesced behind Kamala. 

If the delegates really had a problem with it, they could have given their votes to someone else at the convention, and made it a spectacle. 

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« Reply #38086 on: October 17, 2024, 12:17:19 PM »
Yeah, but I'd say you were robbed by [Jill] Biden thinking he [Joe] was well enough to run for reelection. Not by the "DNC elites".

There was no time for the Democrats to run a primary after the debate. It was Joe releasing his delegates before the convention, and then those delegates were free to vote for whoever they wanted, but they all coalesced behind Kamala.

If the delegates really had a problem with it, they could have given their votes to someone else at the convention, and made it a spectacle.

I think the replacement should have been decided at the convention.
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« Reply #38087 on: October 17, 2024, 12:18:35 PM »
I will just be glad when it’s over.  Regardless of the outcome.  

Can’t stand either one.  One is a bombastic, Egotistical narcissist with diarrhea of the mouth.   The other is a phony, dishonest, far left liberal, trying to pretend not to be, and dumb as a rock  
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« Reply #38088 on: October 17, 2024, 12:20:33 PM »
I'm fascinated by Democrats wanting such an early debate.  I'm fairly sure they knew what would happen as a result.


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« Reply #38089 on: October 17, 2024, 12:29:54 PM »
I think the replacement should have been decided at the convention.
It was. That's when the delegates voted and she became the nominee. :57:

Of course, I know what you mean. You wanted the Democrats to flail around for 7 weeks between the disastrous debate and the convention, unable to coalesce around a candidate, with multiple candidates trying to raise money and with massive uncertainty about who would emerge at the end of it. Probably with a lot of infighting and the candidates giving the Republicans even more ammunition to use against the eventual nominee in the general. That's the sort of disarray all Republicans voters would have wanted from their opponents. 


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« Reply #38090 on: October 17, 2024, 12:36:44 PM »
It was. That's when the delegates voted and she became the nominee. :57:

Of course, I know what you mean. You wanted the Democrats to flail around for 7 weeks between the disastrous debate and the convention, unable to coalesce around a candidate, with multiple candidates trying to raise money and with massive uncertainty about who would emerge at the end of it. Probably with a lot of infighting and the candidates giving the Republicans even more ammunition to use against the eventual nominee in the general. That's the sort of disarray all Republicans voters would have wanted from their opponents.


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« Reply #38091 on: October 17, 2024, 01:30:11 PM »
Who the F does this guy think he is?

Zelensky 'tells NATO - let us join, or we'll get NUKES' (msn.com)
Zelensky 'tells NATO - let us join, or we'll get NUKES' (msn.com)
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« Reply #38092 on: October 17, 2024, 01:39:54 PM »
Ukrainian President Volodymyr [color=var(--accent-foreground-rest)]Zelensky[/color] has reportedly told [color=var(--accent-foreground-rest)]NATO[/color] to let his country join the group or it will get [color=var(--accent-foreground-rest)]nuclear weapons[/color] in a shock ultimatum that was allegedly backed by [color=var(--accent-foreground-rest)]Donald Trump[/color].

When I see the word "reportedly" in any news item, I suspend judgment pending some sort of broader confirmation.

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« Reply #38093 on: October 17, 2024, 02:38:34 PM »
Nothing would surprise me.
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