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😂😂.     That’s how bad a candidate Trump is.  The opponent simply needs to hide their established policies for a few months, and talk about race, get the free and endless support of the MSM, win, and go back to their radical policies ( which they know are not good and that’s why they hide them)

I'm amazed at how quickly you can toss away guns and COVID as reasons for an increase in homicide, then declare with certainty that it was due to leftist depolicing policies despite these policies not existing and there being no support that policing and homicides are any more related than other factors and homicides.

Then why, pray tell, did the leftist Mayor of Chicago feel compelled to temporarily suspend leftist crime policies so as not to embarrass the Democrats?

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Cincy showed statistically that the correlation you wish for between guns and violence does not exist outside of your imagination.

In the UK they have less guns and a knife violence problem:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/uk-stabbing-murder-charge-17-year-old/

Your claim that leftist depolicing policies do not exist is more wishful thinking on your part. BLM and the defund the police movement were and are real things and you can't wish them away no matter how inconvenient they are for your argument.

This is hardly the first time that idiotic leftist crime policies have led to massive increases in crime. I personally visited NYC in the spring of 1994 just after the Big Apple had elected Rudy Guiliani Mayor in November of 1993.

The election of Rudy Guiliani in 1993, his reelection in 1997, and Bloomberg's elections in 2001, 2005, and 2009 need to be put in perspective. Here are NYC votes in the concurrent Presidential elections:

• 1992: D over R by ~44%
• 1996: D over R by ~60%
• 2000: D over R by ~60%
• 2004: D over R by ~51%
• 2008: D over R by ~59%
• 2012: D over R by ~63%

Despite NYC being overwhelmingly Democratic over this entire span they elected Republican Mayors in four consecutive elections followed by a tough on crime* independent who had previously been a Republican.

Why?

Based on my visits to NYC I can answer that. NYC was a shithole in 1994. Crime was rampant due to decades of leftist coddling of criminals. Here are the #'s
the #'s:

• Throughout the 1950's and for decades previously annual murders in NYC were in the 300's or below.
• leftist ideology began pushing those numbers up in the 1960's.
• Leftist criminal coddling and crime peaked in the early 1990', what a coincidence

The last for years before Guiliani took over annual murders in NYC were:

• 2,245 in 1990
• 2,154 in 1991
• 1,995 in 1992
• 1,946 in 1993

Then Guiliani and his tough-on-crime policies took over:

• 1,561 in 1994
• 1,177 in 1995
• Below 1,000 every year since.

[img width=298.185 height=298]https://i.imgur.com/59mu1OO.png[/img]

Of course murders did spike in 2020 due to idiotic leftist ideas but they are still a mere fraction of their late-60's to early-90's levels.

Crime and idiotic leftist policies correlate. Crime and guns, crime and CO2, crime and the price of tea in China don't.

The left has blood on their hands.

Rudy Giuliani is not the reason crime dropped nationwide. Good Lord, fella, what are we even talking about? I don't understand why you persist with this despite now being proven wrong given your own numbers.

You can wish he wasn't but:

• Murders dropped in NYC by 75%, that is a much bigger drop than nationwide.  
• The nationwide drop in crime coincided with a NATIONAL crack-down on crime.  Three strikes laws were enacted Nationwide as part of a general move away from the leftist idiocy and to putting the adults in charge.  Thus crime dropped.  

Crime goes up with leftist coddling of criminals and it goes down with the adults are put back in charge.  The left has blood on their hands.  

You may have proven me wrong in your imagination but the rest of us haven't seen it.  

Someone wrote a Crime Bill in 1994. It helped.

Biden on the 1994 Crime Bill - FactCheck.org

Yep, back then even Democrats supported punishing criminals.  Amazing how effective that was!  

I don't remember the exact numbers, but FL got a lot of OOS officers to come down a few years ago.

FL was actively recruiting from large cities and offering nice pay, benefits, signing bonuses, and moving expenses.

I know the Lee County Sherriff alone was able to land 36 officers from OOS, who were unhappy with their working conditions (mainly, lack of support).

Miami also landed a lot - more than Lee by far.

Chicago saw a drop from around 33 homicides per 100K residents in 1993 to about 15 in 2004. That's about a 55% percent drop. No doubt they didn't have enough Rudy Giuliani to make up the rest. Los Angeles had a similar drop compared to New York. Probably Rudy Giuliana to credit for that.



This would be great if it were true. But it isn't. Only 28 states have such laws, so a little more than half. California had perhaps the strictest law. Texas has such a law since 1952, yet homicide rates there tracked with nationwide trends.


I admire the persistence in twisting yourself into knots to try and show "leftists have blood on their hands."  But there is little to no case there, and your own numbers and facts prove it. Crime is a ball which politicians love to use, hoping you will fall for the scam that "leftist policies" cause it.

Leftist crime policies nationally caused crime to rise.

It peaked in the early 1990's at which point it was so bad that the adults were put back in charge.

This resulted in crime plummeting nationally.

Then crime became enough of a non-factor that leftist policies regained traction and crime started rising.

It is what it is. You cannot deny any of the above and trying to claim that that this or that minutae disproves the larger overall trends is pathetic.

Lleftist coddling of criminals always has and always will lead to more crime.

You guys are never going to agree, so how about a truce and call it a day?