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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34888 on: July 22, 2024, 02:25:45 PM »
My point is I think Israel has harmed their future security in going so much after Hamas.  And I don't think they are going to take Hamas out, they may be strengthening Hamas and getting them even more recruits and support.

My guess is this is exactly what Hamas wanted and expected.  They may have been having internal problems of their own and resorted to this to be unified.

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« Reply #34889 on: July 22, 2024, 02:29:34 PM »
Every single innocent life lost is on Hamas' head.
I wouldn’t go that far. Israel has done its share of not-great things. 

That said, Hamas is an organization whose central policy plank is pretty much genocide. And the Palestinians are fighting what is a mostly unwinnable conflict without starting WWIII, so that’s a bad beat. 

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« Reply #34890 on: July 22, 2024, 02:29:40 PM »
My point is I think Israel has harmed their future security in going so much after Hamas.  And I don't think they are going to take Hamas out, they may be strengthening Hamas and getting them even more recruits and support.

My guess is this is exactly what Hamas wanted and expected.  They may have been having internal problems of their own and resorted to this to be unified.
Hamas did not want to be routed out from under apartments and hospitals, I assure you.  They wanted a measured, internationally-acceptable response from Israel, but for Israel to deem the mass killings of innocents as too great a price to pay.
I don't think anyone could have predicted this severity of reaction, because Israel has always held back in the past.
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« Reply #34891 on: July 22, 2024, 02:31:16 PM »
I wouldn’t go that far. Israel has done its share of not-great things.

That said, Hamas is an organization whose central policy plank is pretty much genocide. And the Palestinians are fighting what is a mostly unwinnable conflict without starting WWIII, so that’s a bad beat.
Yes, Hamas' declaration is genocide AND they withhold essential goods from their own people while using them as human shields.

They're the #1 most despicable entity of the last 80 years.
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« Reply #34892 on: July 22, 2024, 02:32:40 PM »
I THINK Hamas wanted an over the top reaction from Israel, for reasons stated.  My GUESS is some of the Hamas leaders snuck out and won't get killed or captured, they are in Syria or Lebanon.  But, I am piecing together an opinion based on very limited hard data, it's mostly speculation.

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« Reply #34893 on: July 22, 2024, 02:33:28 PM »
I don't understand Jewelry of any kind, watches, whatever
Ed Zachery, might have to pawn them off in a skins game anyway. That's just me I' an agressive gambler

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« Reply #34894 on: July 22, 2024, 03:40:48 PM »
My wife has a lot of diamonds (all "real"), but she is done, and she knows it.

I'd like to have that money in the bank today...
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« Reply #34895 on: July 22, 2024, 04:48:47 PM »
I was more thinking about showy size of the settings, a new necklace that is HUUGGEE.  Maybe the style will go more to thinks akin to paintings, or some other form of "expression".

Men, usually, eschew showy jewelry with the obvious exceptions.

I'm told the LMDs are very very sparkly, so maybe folks will turn up their noses at them because of that, and prefer the less shiny "natural" diamonds?
Good point on the settings. We haven't found a way to synthesize gold, despite many centuries of attempts by alchemists :57:

So I could see "mass of metal" being its own statement. But how do you avoid the problem of "plating" rather than solid silver/gold/platinum? You can fake mass, at least visually.

I'm like FF in that I eschew jewelry. I wear a wedding ring, because, well, I'm married. But I had my wife (who offered to buy me platinum) buy me a cobalt chromium ring because I don't care. Why spend $2K on a slab of platinum metal instead of <$300 on cobalt chromium, which is going to be durable as hell and will still do its job (signifying to the world that I'm a taken man). I wouldn't mind a nice quality Swiss mechanical watch... But I went the Garmin smartwatch route, because it's got a lot more functionality than telling me the time. It tells me (via GPS) how far away the green is that I'm about to miss when I play golf ;-)

I don't think the lab-grown diamonds are any more sparkly. Sparkly, whether natural or lab-grown, is based on the "4 C's", but the "sparkly" portion is primarily the "cut" portion. For a round diamond, there's a classification called "super ideal" cut which basically means that all the angles of the cut are within ranges that are close/perfect for refraction and to make it as sparkly as possible. But both natural and lab grown can achieve super ideal. If lab grown diamonds are more sparkly, it's only because the people who bought natural diamonds couldn't afford the best of the best that met the super ideal standard.

They'll start creating ultra-luxury jewelry with precious metals and gems from asteroids.
That's pretty much where we are in the US. Except for the lower income quintiles, we're largely a "post-scarcity" nation. If you want to live like @FearlessF  , you can get by pretty cheap with all of your needs met. If you want to drive the sorts of vehicles that @Honestbuckeye drives, well, you're gonna have to have some coin. But neither of them are in danger of being homeless, unable to clothe themselves, or starving to death.

So to an extent there has to be some level of "unobtainium" to signify status. I'd argue one aspect is handbags. There's NOTHING about them that need to be scarce. But by making them expensive as hell JUST because they bear a certain brand/label, it becomes a status symbol that is completely devoid of intrinsic value. At least with diamonds the intrinsic value is their scarcity... Or it used to be that way.
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« Reply #34896 on: July 22, 2024, 04:59:05 PM »
My wife has a lot of diamonds (all "real"), but she is done, and she knows it.

I'd like to have that money in the bank today...
Badge, not to say you should suggest this to your wife--because I don't want to see you get murdered in your sleep--but there might be value in selling those diamonds and putting that money into the bank (or more accurately into other, better, investments). 

One big historical advantage of gemstones is that they're a great store of value, because the supply is very limited. But if that's not the case, and my thesis is that's not the case, diamonds of all types are only going to fall in value going forward. If you have an investment that you believe is going to lose significant value in the future, you liquidate it before the value fully craters for the best result and move it into better options. 

Again, not that I'm saying you should or will suggest this to your wife... I value your continued existence :57:

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« Reply #34897 on: July 22, 2024, 05:24:12 PM »
We couldn't close to what I spent on them, and I wouldn't want to do that to her anyway. She's really good to me.

(I know you were mostly kidding)
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« Reply #34898 on: July 22, 2024, 07:10:11 PM »
Good point on the settings. We haven't found a way to synthesize gold, despite many centuries of attempts by alchemists :57:

So I could see "mass of metal" being its own statement. But how do you avoid the problem of "plating" rather than solid silver/gold/platinum? You can fake mass, at least visually.

I'm like FF in that I eschew jewelry. I wear a wedding ring, because, well, I'm married. But I had my wife (who offered to buy me platinum) buy me a cobalt chromium ring because I don't care. Why spend $2K on a slab of platinum metal instead of <$300 on cobalt chromium, which is going to be durable as hell and will still do its job (signifying to the world that I'm a taken man). I wouldn't mind a nice quality Swiss mechanical watch... But I went the Garmin smartwatch route, because it's got a lot more functionality than telling me the time. It tells me (via GPS) how far away the green is that I'm about to miss when I play golf ;-)

I don't think the lab-grown diamonds are any more sparkly. Sparkly, whether natural or lab-grown, is based on the "4 C's", but the "sparkly" portion is primarily the "cut" portion. For a round diamond, there's a classification called "super ideal" cut which basically means that all the angles of the cut are within ranges that are close/perfect for refraction and to make it as sparkly as possible. But both natural and lab grown can achieve super ideal. If lab grown diamonds are more sparkly, it's only because the people who bought natural diamonds couldn't afford the best of the best that met the super ideal standard.
That's pretty much where we are in the US. Except for the lower income quintiles, we're largely a "post-scarcity" nation. If you want to live like @FearlessF  , you can get by pretty cheap with all of your needs met. If you want to drive the sorts of vehicles that @Honestbuckeye drives, well, you're gonna have to have some coin. But neither of them are in danger of being homeless, unable to clothe themselves, or starving to death.

So to an extent there has to be some level of "unobtainium" to signify status. I'd argue one aspect is handbags. There's NOTHING about them that need to be scarce. But by making them expensive as hell JUST because they bear a certain brand/label, it becomes a status symbol that is completely devoid of intrinsic value. At least with diamonds the intrinsic value is their scarcity... Or it used to be that way.
Correction:  If you want to drive the cars HB drives, you have to be kind of dense, and it has to be a priority.  lol.  There’s what you can afford, and what you can’t, and what you shouldn’t. 
Seriously- I am not super into travel ( although I do want to go to Italy in the next 2 years) so that makes driving a fast car easier.   
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« Reply #34899 on: July 22, 2024, 07:31:16 PM »
We couldn't close to what I spent on them, and I wouldn't want to do that to her anyway. She's really good to me.

(I know you were mostly kidding)
Sunk cost fallacy, my friend! :57:

(And no, I don't think you should do that to her, and I'm sure she's really good to you, and yes I was mostly kidding!)

Correction:  If you want to drive the cars HB drives, you have to be kind of dense, and it has to be a priority.  lol.  There’s what you can afford, and what you can’t, and what you shouldn’t. 
Seriously- I am not super into travel ( although I do want to go to Italy in the next 2 years) so that makes driving a fast car easier. 
Priorities is why I don't have a Shelby Cobra 427. I vowed to have one (a kit car) within 10 years of graduation. I'm about 2.5x that now, and no Cobra. Stupid priorities. 

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« Reply #34901 on: July 23, 2024, 11:20:41 AM »
good choice
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