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MaximumSam

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« Reply #25718 on: August 09, 2023, 08:24:49 PM »
I read that Bud Light will stop being the nation's top selling beer this year. It will be replaced by...Modelo Especial.

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« Reply #25719 on: August 09, 2023, 08:50:56 PM »
A least drink Canadian Biere spring fresh water, fields of grain on prarie farms.Not ladling dysentery from wagon ruts in the infernal regions below the Border,so bad ya gotta cram a lime in it
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« Reply #25720 on: August 09, 2023, 10:10:50 PM »
This can happen when "managers" live in a microcosm of "cultural elite" and don't know their customer, at all. 
So, I don't think this is the case. Honestly, this whole thing doesn't say a whole ton about AB. It says a lot about where the culture is, how we wear our politics, how we channel being offended. It also says something about the flavor of Bud Light and beer in general. 

If you look at this kerfuffle, the two offending points are a one-off influencer promotion (with someone you likely didn't know unless you were on Gen Z social media) and an out of context quote on a podcast that could be read in a way that offended. That's it. This is far from the most militantly "woke" thing Bud Light has done. If it was simply that, people would've noticed and packed up a long time ago. 

But we're living in a certain age where we are extremely politics forward. We let our politics dictate our lifestyles. We often treat our politics like boosters treat their teams. Watching Bud Light sales crater has been like watching a scoreboard. People are taking their low-stakes financial choices as a chance to make a statement. 

And it's borne from a kind of offense that seemed to be a little directionless. The desire for being offended needs something to be offended by. This specific event is for the most part a case of good influencer work (from folks who taste make in that space of being offended). In a logical world, Bud Light would've driven away conservatives long ago, but I think people on both sides were different iin approach a few years ago. In this case, a couple small pieces of info made it to the right information bloodstreams during a moment when nothing else was top of mind. And thus, Bud Light got sucked up into the cancel culture jet engine. 

Bud light was particularly vulnerable for two reasons. The first is that beers are very substitutable, and light beers are especially so. There's very little compelling difference between Bud Light, Coors Light and Miller Lite. Bud Light's dominance was also weak because it was built on being bland and plain. There's a joke that in movies people will just go up and order "a beer," despite that not being a thing you can do. But Bud Light was that beer. A near-faceless placeholder. 

The whole thing also gave rise to two myths. 1. Bud light was in good shape before this. It was an ailing brand, losing market share, with young people not picking it up and seltzers eating into the market. The losses it's taken were accelerated, but they were coming. 2. There's this idea Bud Light was the beer of "frat boys, muscle meat heads, rednecks, and sports bros." As far as I can tell, it was a beer mostly for old people and cheap people. Its ads didn't radiate manliness. No one identified with the Bud Light night. But the thing about being a cheap but not too cheap beer is the price point is low enough, even the slightest shift in preference is gonna crush you. And boy has it. 

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« Reply #25721 on: August 10, 2023, 04:37:55 AM »
I think most of us could have easily predicted this sort of reaction had this been proposed as any kind of marketing strategy and stopped it.

It had zero potential to add business.

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« Reply #25722 on: August 10, 2023, 05:38:55 AM »
Anheuser-Busch put this ad out for the Super Bowl in 2017. Those whining about Bud Light now were whining about Bud Light then, too.


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« Reply #25723 on: August 10, 2023, 06:10:02 AM »
It's not the "whining" that matters, it's the purchasing, or lack thereof, on a remarkably broad scale.  I might whine about Product X and even buy an alternative, but unless I get millions of others to do the same ...

The New Coke example is not really on point as they could go back to Coke, and did, with no damage, in fact, sales increased.  Some folks even think the move was intentional from the start.  Bud Light is now stuck, no "man's man" is going to order one at the local bar or be seen buying any or have any to serve friends.  It's an image thing now, majorly so.  If you buy it, you probably are "gay", and I know for most of us here we wouldn't care, but a LOT of men do.




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« Reply #25724 on: August 10, 2023, 06:59:05 AM »
I think most of us could have easily predicted this sort of reaction had this been proposed as any kind of marketing strategy and stopped it.

It had zero potential to add business.
I mean, we would’ve said the same of their long history of gay-friendly advertising, and somehow, it never sank them before. But the world is different now. 

Now they did add to the damage in one way. They tried to apologize, which both didn’t work and offended the set of angry lefties who still bought the beer. 

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« Reply #25725 on: August 10, 2023, 07:05:39 AM »
Again, this relates to knowing your customer.  If you employ gay friendly ads for yogurt, it won't do a thing bad, but if you did it for say men's work boots, it probably would.

Some products are more geared to men who want to think of themselves as virile and are probably conservative, don't do gay ads for them.  I would stay away from any ads that are "socially relevant" for just about any product.  Quite a few men are basically anti-gay, covertly or openly, they don't want anything to do with it.  

Don't try and sell Camaros or F150s using two guys who are more than buds.

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« Reply #25726 on: August 10, 2023, 07:12:25 AM »
Coors Lite is a main sponsor for the Denver Pride Parade.

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« Reply #25727 on: August 10, 2023, 07:14:13 AM »
Sure, and how widely is that known? 


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« Reply #25728 on: August 10, 2023, 07:20:49 AM »
Sure, and how widely is that known?


Pretty widely if you live in Denver, I imagine. Like Dylan Mulvaney's Instagram page, a niche audience

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« Reply #25729 on: August 10, 2023, 07:25:04 AM »
Why all the gay support from lite beers?  Why not the flagship beers?  Is this is a subtle form of discrimination or stereotype?
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« Reply #25730 on: August 10, 2023, 07:57:55 AM »
2. There's this idea Bud Light was the beer of "frat boys, muscle meat heads, rednecks, and sports bros." As far as I can tell, it was a beer mostly for old people and cheap people
Agree with a lot of what you're saying, but in my part of the country at least, Bud Light is very much a redneck beer. 


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« Reply #25731 on: August 10, 2023, 08:07:01 AM »
A large part of light beer drinkers are "red necks", not all of course, but I'd bet the profile of BL drinkers leans conservative and more rural and male.  We have a large "Pride Festival" here as well, quite large, with a lot of sponsors, nobody seems to pay any attention to them.  I don't recall who they are, I do recall seeing a large sign somewhere with their emblems on it.  And of course I live in an area with a lot of gay "life" all over.  I rarely notice anything about it, in part because I don't care, in part because PDAs are not frequent.  I see gay flags all around, it's good marketing, HERE.  Probably not so much in Chatsworth.

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