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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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bayareabadger

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #21518 on: February 16, 2023, 01:07:36 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on February 16, 2023, 12:49:22 PM
more people are wanting it than ever before

and more people are moving closer to wanting it
And here I sit, deathly ambivalent
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« Reply #21519 on: February 16, 2023, 01:11:43 PM »
I'm not concerned

if/when it happens, I don't think it will change much.
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« Reply #21520 on: February 16, 2023, 01:40:21 PM »
They want more gun laws, but they don't want to enforce the ones already on the books. 
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« Reply #21521 on: February 16, 2023, 02:16:59 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on February 16, 2023, 12:46:02 PM
Yeah, I mean, without some of the details to pick over, it seems like a case of SOP.

Most charges are pled down. In that case, it doesn’t seem like there was a ton of reason to pick the guy out for different treatment three years ago. The felony he committed is logically only a felony because of a pretty heavy gun control approach. If we were more aggressive in that kind of thing, I’m betting it ends in a notable limitation of firearm rights, which maybe is an outcome we want.
And I think sometimes the charges as filed are merely the first point in the prosecution's negotiation. And in most negotiations, you often start out with more than you think you can get in order to hope that you end up getting what you really want. 


https://academicworks.cuny.edu/gc_etds/4607/

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #21522 on: February 16, 2023, 02:51:25 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on February 16, 2023, 02:16:59 PM
And I think sometimes the charges as filed are merely the first point in the prosecution's negotiation. And in most negotiations, you often start out with more than you think you can get in order to hope that you end up getting what you really want.


https://academicworks.cuny.edu/gc_etds/4607/


This is true. Though probably not applicable in this case.

There’s also a question of the “felony” element. As we’ve talked about, a felony comes with considerable life burdens. You’d hope that we as a society would be judicious with such a thing.

Most people who catch this charge on the first try probably don’t end up shooting you a lot of people. It’s probably a better social outcome for their lives not to be significantly impaired going forward, even if the outlier gets missed.
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« Reply #21523 on: February 16, 2023, 04:02:54 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on February 16, 2023, 11:39:25 AM
Absolutely.
This one too.


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« Reply #21524 on: February 17, 2023, 10:37:44 AM »
Some great deals here, for those who can do last-minute cruises. I'd do Miami to the Canaries for sure, but we have out of towners coming down. 


Book a Luxury Azamara Cruise | Azamara
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« Reply #21525 on: February 17, 2023, 10:58:19 AM »
Heh, looking at that list of cruises... Absolute NO with the South Africa cruise. South Africa, Russia and China are doing war games at sea during that one. Jeez.
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« Reply #21526 on: February 17, 2023, 11:40:18 AM »
and pirates

hence the price for last minute
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« Reply #21527 on: February 17, 2023, 02:06:54 PM »
Staff on a cruise ship are armed with some pretty nice stuff.
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« Reply #21528 on: February 17, 2023, 03:29:59 PM »
hah, head of security on a cruise ship.....

fun job
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« Reply #21529 on: February 18, 2023, 11:20:15 AM »
maritime law is some tricky stuff- and disallows things you'd think obvious when it comes to defense.

an logistics outfit who regularly sailed around the horn of Africa was trying to hire guys of my ilk (at the time) to provide security against pirates... their intended tactics were highly illegal and so was the weaponry... and if there was conflict 'we' would have been on our own insofar as legally- but the pay was off the charts high compared to any other private defense contractor stuff- and this was when Afghanistan and Iraq were in full swing- and you were only onboard those vessels for a brief portion of their passing.  If i recall what happened clearly, they ended up hiring a russian outfit... the penalty for error was too much for American guys to do it- engaging pirates wasn't the problem.. facing int'l maritime law after the fact, was.
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« Reply #21530 on: February 18, 2023, 12:00:54 PM »
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #21531 on: February 18, 2023, 12:06:51 PM »
Hmmph.  It's not like the pirates can go to the UN and bitch about how you used illegal ways of preventing their piracy.  

When questioned, you simply used the water cannons very efficiently, no?
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