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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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utee94

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Would you say the response has been perfect? There were reports of thousands of calls to FEMA going unanswered because of an issue with call center contracts. That also seems bad.

But that's a good point on it. No response will be perfect. And the political filters will highlight the bad in one case shine over it in others. (In that case, that person doing that was real bad. There was, as far as I read, little indication if was much beyond one monstrous dipshit)
I haven't heard anything particularly bad about FEMA response, but I also haven't followed it closely.  Local and state authorities and emergency responders were heavily involved in the original search and rescue operations.  Which I believe is appropriate. 

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The response there has been terrific. People at the state, county and local levels have openly stated how the Feds have performed so very well.
Were shoes on other feet, I'm skeptical discerning eyes would not be finding issues. 

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Liberals are claiming FEMA has been "decimated", the NWS had nobody present to make any alarm, and the Marine Corps is entirely occupying LA now.

Put Biden in the WH and conservatives would claim FEMA is now about DEI, not performance, avoids Trump supporting houses flying the flag, The NWS is solely interested in perpetuated a climate change myth, and the Marine Corps is mean and nasty.

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I haven't heard anything particularly bad about FEMA response, but I also haven't followed it closely.  Local and state authorities and emergency responders were heavily involved in the original search and rescue operations.  Which I believe is appropriate.
I tend to agree with that. 

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Liberals are claiming FEMA has been "decimated", the NWS had nobody present to make any alarm, and the Marine Corps is entirely occupying LA now.

Put Biden in the WH and conservatives would claim FEMA is now about DEI, not performance, avoids Trump supporting houses flying the flag, The NWS is solely interested in perpetuated a climate change myth, and the Marine Corps is mean and nasty.

Film at 11.

There’s actual proof that FEMA was avoiding Trump supporters under Biden.  

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a simple Google search finds plenty of evidence
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I think some FEMA person admitted it, and advised workers in that fashion.  I fully accept they avoided Trump houses, at least some did, I don't know how pervasive this was.




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I think some FEMA person admitted it, and advised workers in that fashion.  I fully accept they avoided Trump houses, at least some did, I don't know how pervasive this was.




Imagine if you were one of them.
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My guess is the autopen thing will get decided in court at some point, or just gets forgotten like so many other MAJOR issues and crises.

How presidents compare on pardons, commutations, other forms of clemency | Pew Research Center

Biden granted 29% of the clemency requests he received. That was the highest percentage of any president since Richard Nixon, who granted 36% of the petitions he received. (Biden, however, received far more requests than Nixon – 14,867 versus 2,591.)

The number of pardons Biden issued is the second lowest on record; only George H.W. Bush granted fewer (74). But the nature of some of Biden’s pardons is historically unique. Biden issued “preemptive pardons” to several prominent people who had not been convicted of, charged with or even investigated for any crimes. They include Dr. Anthony Fauci, the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases; retired Gen. Mark Milley, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; several members of his own family; and members and staff of the U.S. House committee that investigated the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol, as well as police officers who testified before the panel. Biden said he issued the pardons preemptively to protect recipients against potential future prosecutions by the Trump administration.

bayareabadger

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I honestly had not done a ton of digging into that particular North Carolina concern. But after taking a good hard look, I’m struck by the idea that looked at in the most full light, while it isn’t particularly good, it’s probably far less odious and problematic than people make it out to be.

It’s honestly kind of interesting in its way. Starting with the fact that the “assistance“ being offered by said government employees it’s sort of being mischaracterized.

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I honestly had not done a ton of digging into that particular North Carolina concern. But after taking a good hard look, I’m struck by the idea that looked at in the most full light, while it isn’t particularly good, it’s probably far less odious and problematic than people make it out to be.

It’s honestly kind of interesting in its way. Starting with the fact that the “assistance“ being offered by said government employees it’s sort of being mischaracterized.
FEMA should not have been on the ground and won't be in the future if all the reforms go through.

State and local response is the key, and the Feds can dole out relief money to same.

Power to the States. I read that somewhere, and it's working in Texas.
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bayareabadger

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FEMA should not have been on the ground and won't be in the future if all the reforms go through.

State and local response is the key, and the Feds can dole out relief money to same.

Power to the States. I read that somewhere, and it's working in Texas.
That’s good, but also beside the point to the bolded part. 

bayareabadger

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So I started by looking at what the fired employee said, which was that in other situations, people working in her space feared for their safety. Initially I thought that shouldn't overcome the need to help, but this person also didn't seem like she was the person overseeing search and rescue. Then I poked a bit more.

That job and the people she oversees are basically government workers who go door-to-door after the disaster danger has passed and say "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." They help sign people up for disaster relief funds, direct people to counseling, general government aid. So this isn't a case of being denied rescue in a flood. It's being denied a solicitor who is trying to sign you up for a government program.

Now it is fair to say no matter your political affiliation, you shouldn't be denied a door knock from a federal employee. But even as people on this board have said, it is wise to be wary of many of our firearm friendly friends in the midst of a disaster zone. A few folks on this board have said after a big storm, they'd light up someone who came onto their property, with the belief it might be a looter or someone trying to take advantage of the situation. I believe Badge himself said he might do such a thing.

So if I'm a government employee driving through flood ravaged western NC (or a lot of Florida), and I see a house with a large Trump flag over a "don't tread on me flag" I might wonder if the occupant may align with the "don't come on my property" side of things, and me yelling "I'm here from the government run by Joe Biden" as bullets fly may not help me.

So at the very least, there might be a bit of a pickle. But at the very least, it's good to know what we're talking about, the upside of the aid being offered and the acknowledgement there's a chance for something going sideways for that payoff. (I’d still side on knocking on all doors, but I can see the other side)

 

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