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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45290 on: June 13, 2025, 09:27:47 AM »
You dirty ape.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45291 on: June 13, 2025, 10:05:07 AM »
Take this Padilla situation.  OK, he was manhandled out of the room.  Was he there to ask appropriate questions at an appropriate time?  Or to interrupt and stage a performance with his aid filming it?  He got what he wanted, I suspect, but don't know.

To me, most of this crap is a performance for cameras.
That definitely looked like staged political theater, to me.  Why on earth would any of those people know what Padilla looks like, especially out of context, as he approaches the front of a room during a public address that is not in a Q&A session at the time?

If he'd really wanted to "ask questions" he could have, should have, and would have, waited until the appropriate time.  Or introduced himself afterward and had a more appropriate, private conversation.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45292 on: June 13, 2025, 10:51:36 AM »
That definitely looked like staged political theater, to me.  Why on earth would any of those people know what Padilla looks like, especially out of context, as he approaches the front of a room during a public address that is not in a Q&A session at the time?

If he'd really wanted to "ask questions" he could have, should have, and would have, waited until the appropriate time.  Or introduced himself afterward and had a more appropriate, private conversation.
I talked a while ago about the end of chasing the "middle voter" and, IMHO, this is just another consequence of that.  

I'm curious what our resident leftists think about it but, as I see it:
  • Within the right of center echo chamber he was completely out of line and this was political theatre.  
  • Within the left of center echo chamber he is a hero standing up to power.  
  • Normies anywhere near the center either don't know or don't care.  If they do know or care it would be difficult for them to come to any conclusion other than that this was inappropriate behavior staged to get the reaction it got.  

So going by that this has literally zero benefit to Democrats with any "persuadables".  Instead it was done solely to rile up the base.  

In a word where persuadables mattered this stunt would hurt Democrats and consequently they wouldn't do crap like this.  In the world we live in it really doesn't hurt them and it riles up their base so why not?  

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45293 on: June 13, 2025, 10:53:57 AM »
As a sometimes Left Leaning Liberal and sometimes Right Leaning Conservative, I viewed it as performative politics.  But I know almost nothing about Padilla, and don't really care to know.  This stunt won't impact my PoV at all either way, and it will be forgotten in a few days at most.

Most things get forgotten in a few days.

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« Reply #45294 on: June 13, 2025, 11:04:10 AM »
I talked a while ago about the end of chasing the "middle voter" and, IMHO, this is just another consequence of that. 

I'm curious what our resident leftists think about it but, as I see it:
  • Within the right of center echo chamber he was completely out of line and this was political theatre. 
  • Within the left of center echo chamber he is a hero standing up to power. 
  • Normies anywhere near the center either don't know or don't care.  If they do know or care it would be difficult for them to come to any conclusion other than that this was inappropriate behavior staged to get the reaction it got. 

So going by that this has literally zero benefit to Democrats with any "persuadables".  Instead it was done solely to rile up the base. 

In a word where persuadables mattered this stunt would hurt Democrats and consequently they wouldn't do crap like this.  In the world we live in it really doesn't hurt them and it riles up their base so why not? 


They got a another good photo op of some white dudes putting a hispanic man to the ground -- in a clear case of white supremacy.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45295 on: June 13, 2025, 12:13:32 PM »
Rubio already out in front of it saying Israel acted unilaterally.  This is going to get bad


https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1933334545711182226
really bad. US lives are at risk because of this. I cannot tell you how pissed off I am. Israel's Prime Minister is a literal piece of human shit. The world will be a much better and safer place once he is dead.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45296 on: June 13, 2025, 12:13:41 PM »

https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/1933344952978706729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1933344952978706729%7Ctwgr%5E04f25ffd90edb5c3dc481c3e63bec224e5b4b530%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FRichardGrenell%2Fstatus%2F1933344952978706729
crazy how a country that illegally acquired nuclear weapons and still denies to this day that they posses nuclear weapons attacks another country that does not have nuclear weapons- unprovoked. 

that literal piece of human shit Benzion Mileikowsky- I refuse to call him by his stupid made up name- the descendant of Polish European colonizer immigrants to Palestine- has been saying Iran is weeks or months away from acquiring a nuclear weapon for oh...only 35 fucking years.

Trump is a sackless wonder. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, Israel's bitch. 

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45297 on: June 13, 2025, 12:13:48 PM »
I'm good with this. Something "we" don't have to do.

Escalation is coming. We'll see how that goes.
you should most definitely NOT be good with this. do not kid yourself, Israel could not have pulled this off without the US. we are most definitely involved- this is something WE had a hand in doing.

the last thing this country needs is to be dragged into a war with Iran. it could be the thing that brings this already weakened country to it's knees and we might not ever recover.

I am going to say this one time and one time only.... FUCK ISRAEL.

Israel is a psychopathic lunatic aggressor state- it is not an ally of the United States- it is a full-blown enemy and liability.

FUCK. ISRAEL.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45298 on: June 13, 2025, 12:13:56 PM »
The biggest contribution Florida has made to the American experience is contraband.
lol says the guy from buttfuck Minn-eee-soooohta. 

Florida>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buttfuck Minn-eee-soooohta. 

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45299 on: June 13, 2025, 12:16:01 PM »
As we've seen Russia as a paper tiger when it comes to regular war-faring, Iran is a paper kitty cat.  Finally, someone had the balls to do something to them. 

Iran has long been the cowardly bully getting it's smaller toadies to do their dirty work.  Then their half-inch dick attack on Israel, having damaged nothing.....there's been no fucking reason for us to treat them with such care/fear.

This is awesome.
as usual you have zero clue of what you speak of. par for the course though really with you. 

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45300 on: June 13, 2025, 12:30:39 PM »
R.E. — the racist angle.

How so?  Because 99.8% of illegals are brown?

Is there a huge illegal alien contingency from the Nordic countries that I missed along the way, ……that ICE is giving a pass to?


Let's start here. I presume that you are not racist, either. But you have been led to beleive that all but .2% of undocumented immigrants are "brown." Let's call that an unconscious bias (we all have them--I picture judges as old white guys even though I often practice in front of women and people of color on the bench). The numbers are difficult to prove conclusively, but estimates are that approximately 7% of undocumented immigrants in 2022 had Europe or Canada as their place of birth. Another 15% come from Asia (including South Asia, so that would probably include "brown" people in many people's minds). Does that still mean that most of these immigrants come from Central and South America? Yes, but the difference between .2 and 7 percent is big (.2. and 22 percent even bigger). Yet, I have never seen an ad attacking all those immigrants from Canada and Europe. Badge would prefer fewer Canadians in Florida--I have heard that. :) The Middle East and Africa make up about five percent of undocumented immigrants.
Another reference point. I was a California voter when the state passed prop 187 in the 1990s, which was a voter initiative to deny state benefits to undocumented immigrants (which the federal courts subsequently ruled unconstitutional). At that time, one of the largest groups of undocumented immigrants in California were Canadians. And yet, not a single ad that identified those horrible Canadians as invading our state/country.
Another reference point, I think someone above posted that no one who has been an illegal immigrant should be allowed to become a citizen. So Elon Musk should be deported, right? He has admitted that he was undocumented during college. As CD pointed out above, overstay of visas is a common immigration violation.
It doesn't help your side that the Trump Administration made a big flourish of giving asylum to a handful of white South Africans on a dubious basis, while at the same time revoking protected immigration status for hundreds of thousands of Venezuelan, Cuban, Haitian, and Nicaraguan immigrants.

I have and will continue to agree that we need to do better work on our immigration laws to (a) stem the flow of undocumented immigrants and the abuse of the asylum system, and (b) to provide meaningful paths to citizenship for productive members of our society. That is a conversation that needs to happen. But mass deportations of anyone with undocumented status (targeted entirely at "brown" populations) smacks of something more than that. When our President openly says that he wants more immigrants from Scandinavia, and identifies African, Central, and South American countries as "shit holes," yes, it is fair to infer that there is a racial component to that rhetoric.

One of my favorite responses: "but it's illegal!" So is underage drinking.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45301 on: June 13, 2025, 12:48:08 PM »
Re Padilla, I'm of two minds on it. (1) of course it was political theater--as was Noem's press conference. (2) When Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins are angry with the treatement of a U.S. Senator, it's not just "leftists" that are getting riled up. Combine this with the indictment of McIver in New Jersey, and it's not a good look for the Trump Administration. I've watched the videos of it: it looks to me like the security detail overreacted--there was no threat to Noem--but Padilla probably isn't sorry that he ended up handcuffed on video.

Unfortunately, right now our politics have devolved into trying to generate the best clips to show on social media to rile up our supporters and demonize the other side. That's not a great recipe for progress. Unfortunately, I think it will take something much more serious to deescalate the silliness--and people (regular everyday people like you and me) are going to get hurt in the process.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45302 on: June 13, 2025, 12:51:31 PM »
Unfortunately, right now our politics have devolved into trying to generate the best clips to show on social media to rile up our supporters and demonize the other side. That's not a great recipe for progress. Unfortunately, I think it will take something much more serious to deescalate the silliness--and people (regular everyday people like you and me) are going to get hurt in the process.
This is my "go to epxlanation" anything something turns up on film.  Was this staged?  Is that political theater?  Usually the answer is yes.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45303 on: June 13, 2025, 12:58:43 PM »
I talked a while ago about the end of chasing the "middle voter" and, IMHO, this is just another consequence of that. 

I'm curious what our resident leftists think about it but, as I see it:
  • Within the right of center echo chamber he was completely out of line and this was political theatre. 
  • Within the left of center echo chamber he is a hero standing up to power. 
  • Normies anywhere near the center either don't know or don't care.  If they do know or care it would be difficult for them to come to any conclusion other than that this was inappropriate behavior staged to get the reaction it got. 

So going by that this has literally zero benefit to Democrats with any "persuadables".  Instead it was done solely to rile up the base. 

In a word where persuadables mattered this stunt would hurt Democrats and consequently they wouldn't do crap like this.  In the world we live in it really doesn't hurt them and it riles up their base so why not? 
The only (well, not only question but a big one) question I have is where was Padilla when the border was wide open and millions of undocs were pouring though?  Was he making big trips down there and making a big showing?  Or was he smugly at home, because this is what he wanted?  

 

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