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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #43834 on: April 24, 2025, 09:36:28 AM »
Agreed, but couldn't endowment money be used for research?
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #43835 on: April 24, 2025, 09:42:55 AM »
Agreed, but couldn't endowment money be used for research?
Generally, no, it's spoken for.  It's not there without a lot of strings.

A "chaired professor", for example, is paid for by the funds generated from a specific endowment.  Somebody back when donated $x which was invested and the grant stipulates the returns can only be used for that purpose.  Other endowments may be allocated to other uses, and can't be used to something different.

Grant money is very different.  A prof writes a grant proposal and sends it off to NIH or NSF or the ARO, whatever, and if it is approved, he then gets monies for the research.  Most of this is Federal money.  And research professors are "graded" largely on how much money they bring in because for each specific grant, the university gets "overhead" to pay for other stuff.  You can have a professor who is a lousy teacher but he gets large grants approved, he'd almost certainly get tenure, and vice versa.


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« Reply #43836 on: April 24, 2025, 09:43:04 AM »
Agreed, but couldn't endowment money be used for research?
Depends on what restrictions the donor(s) put on the money.

Some donors, like me, restrict the funds to be used only for engineering students who will transfer in the future to a college of engineering - preferably to intended civil engineering students.

(We only offer the basics - no majors - just a transfer program.)

On my wife's side of the donations, she restricted those to nursing students only.
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« Reply #43837 on: April 24, 2025, 09:44:48 AM »
We don’t. And yet people just obsess over it. Like love talking about it.
They've been in the news cycle lately.
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« Reply #43838 on: April 24, 2025, 09:51:33 AM »
Decades back, private companies funded quite a bit of basic and semi-applied research, companies like duPont and AT&T and P&G and IBM.  That has really been diluted, or even stopped entirely.  The corporate cutters started asking what this was for, and there isn't an obvious clear answer other than reviewing history.  duPont invested in polymer science back in the 1930s and it paid off handsomely for them.  But that hasn't been as clearly the case over the past few decades, perhaps in part because the money was cut.

It's all Federal now, 95+%.  Good or bad, you can decide for yourself, but the Federal part is a "juicy" are to cut as well.  What have you done for me lately?  It's hard to justify basic research.

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« Reply #43839 on: April 24, 2025, 09:51:51 AM »
Generally, no, it's spoken for.  It's not there without a lot of strings.

A "chaired professor", for example, is paid for by the funds generated from a specific endowment.  Somebody back when donated $x which was invested and the grant stipulates the returns can only be used for that purpose.  Other endowments may be allocated to other uses, and can't be used to something different.

there ya go!  Create a specific endowment for specific research

cause Trump might pull your grant $$$
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« Reply #43840 on: April 24, 2025, 09:55:09 AM »
Decades back, private companies funded quite a bit of basic and semi-applied research, companies like duPont and AT&T and P&G and IBM.  That has really been diluted, or even stopped entirely.  The corporate cutters started asking what this was for, and there isn't an obvious clear answer other than reviewing history.  duPont invested in polymer science back in the 1930s and it paid off handsomely for them.  But that hasn't been as clearly the case over the past few decades, perhaps in part because the money was cut.

It's all Federal now, 95+%.  Good or bad, you can decide for yourself, but the Federal part is a "juicy" are to cut as well.  What have you done for me lately?  It's hard to justify basic research.
it's about time the Federal folks started requiring some ROI
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #43841 on: April 24, 2025, 09:55:31 AM »
Endowments are meant to last forever, mostly, research is meant to start and stop after a few years, usually.  You could do it with endowments of course, but I think you'd have a very very hard sell on your hands.  The folks with the money can see funding a chaired position but would have no interest in funding some physics research project they couldn't even spell.

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« Reply #43842 on: April 24, 2025, 09:56:48 AM »
especially with a poor ROI
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« Reply #43843 on: April 24, 2025, 10:09:01 AM »
Basic research has an unquantifiable ROI.  There are examples where it has been quite large, but the vast majority of examples have zero apparent ROI.  The concept is that it is needed to further our basic knowledge and build foundations, it's not intended to have direct ROI.  One can argue the benefit of that of course.

Companies that once did basic research have largely shut it down.  My friends where I worked tell me nearly all applied research was shut down as well, and that was a trend while I was there.

I knew some folks who worked in Federal labs like Sandia and Los Alamos, I really thought their work was ... of dubious value.

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« Reply #43844 on: April 24, 2025, 10:14:31 AM »
They've been in the news cycle lately.
Like I said, people love talking about them.

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« Reply #43845 on: April 24, 2025, 10:18:15 AM »
I have a niece studying there, to get a PhD.

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« Reply #43846 on: April 24, 2025, 10:58:56 AM »
as Cincy would say, ...of dubious value
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« Reply #43847 on: April 24, 2025, 11:08:17 AM »
My piano teacher when I was a kid had a PhD from somewhere in music.  Dr. Herbert.  I didn't much like him, and convinced my mom to let me quit when I was 12.  It seemed like a sissy thing to do.  I later discovered that playing the piano helped me in basketball.  It strengthened my fingers so they didn't  get "stove up" and I could catch even hard passes more readily.

So, I started back playing on my own and got OK at it (later my intent was to impress girls, which often worked quite well I found).  

My neighbor's nephew just got his PhD in criminology and now is teaching in Boston.  They award PhDs in some odd things.  They all can be called doctor, though I personally frown on that.

 

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