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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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utee94

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #43484 on: April 09, 2025, 02:14:15 PM »
As has been suggested, this was always all about China...

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114309144289505174


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Based on the lack of respect that China has shown to the World’s Markets, I am hereby raising the Tariff charged to China by the United States of America to 125%, effective immediately. At some point, hopefully in the near future, China will realize that the days of ripping off the U.S.A., and other Countries, is no longer sustainable or acceptable. Conversely, and based on the fact that more than 75 Countries have called Representatives of the United States, including the Departments of Commerce, Treasury, and the USTR, to negotiate a solution to the subjects being discussed relative to Trade, Trade Barriers, Tariffs, Currency Manipulation, and Non Monetary Tariffs, and that these Countries have not, at my strong suggestion, retaliated in any way, shape, or form against the United States, I have authorized a 90 day PAUSE, and a substantially lowered Reciprocal Tariff during this period, of 10%, also effective immediately. Thank you for your attention to this matter!


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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #43485 on: April 09, 2025, 02:19:37 PM »
What was the point of “Liberation Day” then? Piss off the whole world for a week before backing off and focusing largely on China? Could that not have been achieved from the jump?

I am beyond a novice in trade/tariff talk but it just seems like 4D chess when checkers would suffice. 

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« Reply #43486 on: April 09, 2025, 02:24:29 PM »
What was the point of “Liberation Day” then? Piss off the whole world for a week before backing off and focusing largely on China? Could that not have been achieved from the jump?

I am beyond a novice in trade/tariff talk but it just seems like 4D chess when checkers would suffice.
It was all about negotiations. Countries are coming to the table now, including the EU. They were not at the table until the tariffs were announced.
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« Reply #43487 on: April 09, 2025, 02:28:24 PM »
It was all about negotiations. Countries are coming to the table now, including the EU. They were not at the table until the tariffs were announced.
And it has likely also focused all of their attention, all of their negative feelings and angst and worry, on China.  The USA isn't alone in being bullied by them, it's just that nobody in the world, including us, has ever really stood up to them.  Now with all of those other countries off the hook, while China isn't, it just might embolden some of them to join the US in doing something about it.




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« Reply #43488 on: April 09, 2025, 02:40:51 PM »
I’m all for breaking ties with Chyna. 

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« Reply #43489 on: April 09, 2025, 02:42:36 PM »
I’m all for breaking ties with Chyna.
This should do it.


In Yet Another Cruel Blow To China, General Tso’s Chicken To Be Renamed ‘General Don's Oriental Chicky Nugs’ | Babylon Bee
In Yet Another Cruel Blow To China, General Tso’s Chicken To Be Renamed ‘General Don's Oriental Chicky Nugs’ | Babylon Bee
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« Reply #43490 on: April 09, 2025, 02:47:15 PM »
I mean, that's what they are.  They're just saucy chicky nugs.


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« Reply #43491 on: April 09, 2025, 03:30:35 PM »
What was the point of “Liberation Day” then? Piss off the whole world for a week before backing off and focusing largely on China? Could that not have been achieved from the jump?

I am beyond a novice in trade/tariff talk but it just seems like 4D chess when checkers would suffice.

Here's how I see it, ymmv. 

If the quote utee94 posted is indeed what's happening (let's face it, you can never be 100% sure until after the fact with Trump), then this ultimately went in the direction I and many others were hoping, but weren't sure about, because it didn't match Trump's rhetoric.

Where it appears to be headed:  Trump wanted other countries to start doing business with us differently, so instead of calling them up and telling them what needs to happen, he shocked their system to get them moving in a hurry. 

What he kept saying:  Basically that he loves tariffs, they're an inherent good, and maybe it just doesn't matter how nice other countries are willing to play with us, he *hearts* tariffs and they're here to stay.  Worth noting is that there's video of him expounding on the benefits of tariffs for literally decades, so I can't blame anyone for being worried that maybe he was just ushering in The Age of Tariff Doom. 

Why I suspect he did it that way:  Not because he's an idiot or because he gets off on giving us all heart attacks.  But because if he told us what his end-game was, then everybody would know his end game, and the threat of tariffs would've been utterly ineffective.  If you're an EU leader or the president of Taiwan or whatever, you might be inclined to play hardball, at least for longer, if you know he's telling his own people he doesn't really mean it.  I suspect--I don't know--he got pretty much exactly what he wanted out of this.  I remain 15% nervous because he really does have a lot of quotes through the years about how great tariffs are.  But the Sec. Treasury Bessent has given some tells in the last week, and most of all one of Trump's kids via a tweet, for as much as he knows what he's talking about, that made me think it was probably a negotiating ploy and hopefully not a permanent move. 

Re: China.....I actually do think Trump wants to tariff the living hell out of them, or anything else he can think of to screw them over.  Long before he ever ran for president, I remember him talking crap about China.  Those might not go away.  Dunno.  

All that said, there was one benefit for me.  My wife kept showing me clips of Ben Shapiro's head exploding about all the tariff stuff, which was hilarious.  He's a pretty high strung guy anyway with a funny voice to start off with.  Watching him go apoplectic during this whole thing was entertaining. 

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« Reply #43492 on: April 09, 2025, 04:10:35 PM »
Let's do this again tomorrow please.

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« Reply #43493 on: April 09, 2025, 04:47:51 PM »
A 10% gain in about 4 hours of investment isn't bad, is it?


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« Reply #43494 on: April 09, 2025, 04:57:42 PM »
Good for today. I can imagine seeing some profit takers out tomorrow.

I wonder if @OrangeAfroMan pulled the trigger on those indexes. 

He can't say we didn't tell him too.
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« Reply #43495 on: April 09, 2025, 05:05:58 PM »
Yep.  I'd have been happy to invest, if I had an open account and some extra $.  Sure felt like a good time for it. 

In all this, I learned that 10% of the population owns 88% of the market, and the next 40% of the population owns the other 12%.  Leaving the other 50% of the population owning none of it.  That explains why most of the people I know didn't notice or care about any of this. 

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« Reply #43496 on: April 09, 2025, 05:06:31 PM »
I never could do better than breaking even at day-trading, but I think I'd probably do well with some light swing trading.  The trends are way more stable, and the "big fish" aren't dicking the little guys around nearly so much at that level. 

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« Reply #43497 on: April 09, 2025, 07:17:34 PM »

I am beyond a novice in trade/tariff talk but it just seems like 4D chess when checkers would suffice.
FFS
Trump doesn't know how to play 2D chess, much less 4D.  Explaining away his dipshit ideas as 4D chess is horse shit, and akin to attributing bad outcomes to "god works in mysterious ways." 
Avalanche of bull shit.
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