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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42644 on: March 05, 2025, 01:14:09 PM »
I'm confused. You're all agreeing that our food producers have nothing to worry about? Clarify that for me.
I missed where that was asserted by "all".  I'm sure farmers worry about the weather, the price of feed and Diesel, whether they should sell their crop before it's harvested, etc.  Should they worry about Tariffs?  Probably it's on the list.

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« Reply #42645 on: March 05, 2025, 01:15:43 PM »
I'm confused. You're all agreeing that our food producers have nothing to worry about? Clarify that for me.

Agricultural exports: China is the biggest export market for American farmers. In response to Trump’s tariffs, the country announced it will reciprocate with 15 percent tariffs on American food and agricultural products including soybeans, meat, and chicken. Mexico and Canada are also promising retaliation, which could impact exports of American wine and beer, grains, and meat. During Trump’s first term, tariffs caused economic losses in farm country and the USDA paid farmers tens of billions of dollars to make up for it. Secretary Rollins has said the agency is prepared to do that again.


https://civileats.com/2025/03/05/how-trumps-tariffs-will-affect-farmers-and-food-prices/

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« Reply #42646 on: March 05, 2025, 01:16:43 PM »
Agricultural exports: China is the biggest export market for American farmers. In response to Trump’s tariffs, the country announced it will reciprocate with 15 percent tariffs on American food and agricultural products including soybeans, meat, and chicken. Mexico and Canada are also promising retaliation, which could impact exports of American wine and beer, grains, and meat. During Trump’s first term, tariffs caused economic losses in farm country and the USDA paid farmers tens of billions of dollars to make up for it. Secretary Rollins has said the agency is prepared to do that again.


https://civileats.com/2025/03/05/how-trumps-tariffs-will-affect-farmers-and-food-prices/

Well there you have it.  They triple-dog tariffed us the last time this happened.

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« Reply #42647 on: March 05, 2025, 01:19:04 PM »
I've read it.
required reading
I don't think it was for me. I don't recall
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« Reply #42648 on: March 05, 2025, 01:20:26 PM »
I treated it as a handbook.
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« Reply #42649 on: March 05, 2025, 01:41:34 PM »
Ok, so the losses will occur, but the plan is that the government will subsidize them. Check.

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« Reply #42650 on: March 05, 2025, 01:56:00 PM »
with the money collected by the tariff!
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« Reply #42651 on: March 05, 2025, 02:14:00 PM »
Ok, so the losses will occur, but the plan is that the government will subsidize them. Check.

As has always been.

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« Reply #42652 on: March 05, 2025, 02:34:28 PM »
Seems like farmers have existed on subsidies for as long as I've been around, if not longer. 

I don't understand the business model very well, so I don't understand why that is.  Why aren't crop producers able to be profitable on their own?  When was the last time they were?  What has changed between then and now causes them to operate at a loss and need subsidies?

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« Reply #42653 on: March 05, 2025, 03:04:30 PM »
well, once the government begins a program, they like to keep it running.
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« Reply #42654 on: March 05, 2025, 03:26:48 PM »
well, once the government begins a program, they like to keep it running.
gotta keep the tranny arts dance program in fuckjikastan or zimbastardwana goin'.....thanks United States Agency for International Development! Good effort! Good job! 

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« Reply #42655 on: March 05, 2025, 03:45:06 PM »
Because the outcry from the higher prices and inflation ceases the practice. 

There's no evidence on the long-term effects of jumping off a cliff, either...for the same reason.
tariffs do not cause inflation. they cause temporary spikes in prices of certain goods from certain countries until supply chains change evolve and adapt and markets re-adjust. for example people who used to buy crown royal liquor from Canada will probably now be buying Jameson or Jack Daniels because those products will likely be significantly cheaper than a Canadian branded whiskey product. people who were buying Ford/GM/Stellantis trucks or cars manufactured in Mexico or Canada will now be buying Japanese or Korean cars manufactured here or in Asia that don't have import tariff fees. 

it's pretty wild how the definition of the word inflation has changed by the way. it used to be understood- correctly- as an increase in the money supply which destroys value of the currency and purchasing power. larger amount of money chasing the same or marginally increased amount goods and services- and well you get inflation. now it's just rising prices automatically = inflation- which is not exactly true or accurate.

the main driver of inflation is the government. always. and it's not just one team or the other at fault- it's both parties at fault. the Fed printed trillions of dollars out of thin air and increased the money supply by FORTY percent from first quarter of 2020 to the end of 2021 meanwhile setting reserve requirements to basically 0% and the Fed fund rate to less than 1%-meanwhile the old now new guy in office had just passed the largest give corporate bail out give away in US history with the bullshit COVID/CARES Act- which exploded the deficit spending spree and then the Biden administration proceeded to get into office and pass trillion dollar spending act after trillion dollar spending act and deficit spend like it was going out of style. This was insanity that would only ever lead to inflation. And the hide the salami games the Fed plays like it's reverse repo program hit all-time daily highs under Biden- not to mention Fed bought up bonds like fucking crazy so the gov't could continue borrowing and spending like there is no fucking tomorrow- which is nothing but a phony asset swap. In theory the government pays back that debt and the balance sheet unwinds- in reality it is just the government borrowing more to cover the prior debt and the whole game just continues on and on and your money becomes worth less and less the more they do this.

the secondary cause of inflation- oil. US currency was basically defacto backstopped by oil thanks to an unofficial official deal Nixon made with the Saudis in 1970s to only trade oil in US currency and to peg their currency to the US dollar. Our currency used to be back stopped by gold and convertible into gold- then it stopped and went to being backed stopped by a weird mix of that full faith and credit bs aka "hey, we're good for it- just trust us" and: oil. when the price of oil rises it has a downstream domino effect across the board which raises the prices of everything on planet earth- that part should be self explanatory to anyone with a brain.

This is what mainly causes inflation. Full stop. Point blank. Period. It's not greedy corporations price gouging like Joe Biden tried to sell to the public- although that is a problem. It's not bad evil billionaires like Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk not being taxed on wealth that is theoretical and not actual until their shares of stocks are converted into cash. It's not tariffs. It's our government money printing and spending like no tomorrow and to a lesser degree major disruption/instability in the oil markets....and had a pretty big war and a bunch of sanctions throw that out of whack. 

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« Reply #42657 on: March 05, 2025, 03:50:35 PM »
Wouldnt mind losing a bunch of canadians here in Phoenix either.  They are filling up the tee times.
Well okay that's serious shyt right there,just ask FF. Love the Canadians - not schwanzy boy who was in office - been up there too many X on fishing trips. The commoners are fine folks
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