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Oh, and the other thing that pisses me off about this is the crowd saying "it should be in the states' hands" clam up and shrug when I suggest drilling it down to the county level. 

They're full of shit and spewing nonsense if they advocate for a localized law on abortion.  Put Texas and local in the same sentence.  Put California or Montana or Florida and the word local in the same sentence. 

If someone seeking an abortion would have to drive to the nearest large-ish urban area instead of the nearest other state, and you pretend that's an ethical issue, you're a massive ass hat.  And fake.  And shitty. 

Do it county-to-county so no one has to drive 10 hours for a reluctant, serious medical decision. 

I'm not staunch on the topic, other than 3rd trimester abortions.  You either want the baby, or don't -- seems to me that could be figured out within the first 60 days.

However, I do have a bone of contention for the "make it easier" crowd.  Oh the horror, I may have to drive 2-3 hours to have a potential life-altering procedure performed.  Good Lord.  It's harder, and much farther way, for 99.9% of Americans to take their kids to Disney World.  Cry me a river.

Do what you will, but don't complain that it's not made super convenient for you.

However, I do have a bone of contention for the "make it easier" crowd.  Oh the horror, I may have to drive 2-3 hours to have a potential life-altering procedure performed.  Good Lord.  It's harder, and much farther way, for 99.9% of Americans to take their kids to Disney World.  Cry me a river.

Do what you will, but don't complain that it's not made super convenient for you.

I'm fine with it being hard to find abortion clinics if there isn't enough of a market to support it. Just like there are only two Disney parks in the US, in Orlando and Anaheim. You live in Tulsa? Tough. 

But I don't like the idea of government making Disney theme parks illegal so that people HAVE to go far away to get to it. Which is what we're discussing here. Governments actually making something illegal so even if there IS enough market demand to support a clinic, one can't open. 

I'm fine with it being hard to find abortion clinics if there isn't enough of a market to support it. Just like there are only two Disney parks in the US, in Orlando and Anaheim. You live in Tulsa? Tough.

But I don't like the idea of government making Disney theme parks illegal so that people HAVE to go far away to get to it. Which is what we're discussing here. Governments actually making something illegal so even if there IS enough market demand to support a clinic, one can't open.

Like marijuana legalization?  Oh the horror.

Of course. If 50%+1 have an ethical or moral issue with it, the other 49% aren't allowed to have the market serve their needs

Yes.  That's the system.  Welcome to 1776, or 1789 for those who'd like to be pedantic about the Constitution itself.

I haven't seen a better method out there yet, so I'm okay with this one.

A woman getting an abortion doesn't injure you in any way. 

A dude getting murdered on the streets in Chicago, IL doesn't injure me in any way either, yet lots of folks think it's morally abhorrent.

A dude getting murdered on the streets in Chicago, IL doesn't injure me in any way either, yet lots of folks think it's morally abhorrent.

Which is ultimately why I don't think the pro-life contingent will EVER be satisfied with this being handled at the state/county/city level.

To those people, deciding it state by state or county by county would be as absurd as a Texan thinking it just fine if Chicago legalized murder.

Neither does animal abuse, but I'm glad it isn't legal.

Along with a myriad of other illegal activities that don't actually injure me.

But I can't imagine you being supportive of the idea that in Knoxville it being illegal to abuse an animal, but if someone wants to drive 2 hours to Asheville if NC didn't criminalize animal abuse that's totally cool for you.

But I can't imagine you being supportive of the idea that in Knoxville it being illegal to abuse an animal, but if someone wants to drive 2 hours to Asheville if NC didn't criminalize animal abuse that's totally cool for you.

Nope, it's not cool for me either way.  There's lots I'm not cool with that I can't do anything about.  I don't have to support it for it to be so.  Such is life.

If someone in Knoxville really wants to put a beat down on their dog, and it is legal in Asheville, well....I just don't feel sorry for them that they have to drive 2 hours to do their business.

I like beer.  It's legal here.