I read once a thing which happens during "discussions" often as not. Folks tend to hear in order to rebut, rather than hearing to understand or clarify.
I see that fairly often. I also think it's generally not useful to make an effort to change another's mind on a topic, but it can be to try and understand better what they think and why they think that.
We're unlikely to change anyone's opinion here, but we might benefit by understanding better why they have that opinion, and what it actually is.