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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #33754 on: June 29, 2024, 09:03:58 PM »
You'd have trouble finding a place with a simple landlord, at least here.  They're all owned by corporations and many don't even have an on-site office.

Each person is a math problem.  If you can't afford it, fuck off, the next person can.  


All new construction is pretty much 'luxury' apartments.  So there's a gradual trickle-down where the older luxury apartments are just apartments and the old apartments become the ghetto-ass places.  
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« Reply #33755 on: June 29, 2024, 09:04:46 PM »
People NEED a place to live.  So upcharge them on the front end.  What are they going to do? 

And it's a fun myth that you get your deposit back, even if you are a neat freak.

It's just one of a thousand lies we all tolerate.  We had a good run.
Its called inflation welcome to the world of King Biden
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« Reply #33756 on: June 29, 2024, 09:08:20 PM »
Its called inflation welcome to the world of King Biden
What does that have to do with security deposits?  
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« Reply #33757 on: June 29, 2024, 09:19:49 PM »
What does that have to do with security deposits? 
Nothing, I just enjoy mentioning Biden to you
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« Reply #33758 on: June 29, 2024, 09:35:47 PM »
The core problem is that housing is expensive and that can only be alleviated with more of it
You must have missed the first day of Econ 101. It isn't just "Supply", it is "Supply and Demand" and your support for millions of immigrants has an impact.

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« Reply #33759 on: June 29, 2024, 09:41:12 PM »
You must have missed the first day of Econ 101. It isn't just "Supply", it is "Supply and Demand" and your support for millions of immigrants has an impact.
Yeah, dammit!  Those 9 immigrants squeezed into a 1-bedroom are causing the affordable housing problem!!!  

FFS, is there nothing you won't blame them for?  
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« Reply #33760 on: June 29, 2024, 09:44:03 PM »
I don't know what's caused that, but it's insane and further exacerbates the problem.
A big part of this is unintended consequences of tenant rights laws. 

As a landlord, my problem is that a deadbeat who fights is going to be in my building for MONTHS. The security deposit is my protection against that as is the "First and last". 

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« Reply #33761 on: June 29, 2024, 09:45:49 PM »
And it's a fun myth that you get your deposit back, even if you are a neat freak.

It's just one of a thousand lies we all tolerate.  We had a good run.
As a landlord, bullshit.

If I don't repay the deposit within 30 days in Ohio it is triple damages. 

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« Reply #33762 on: June 29, 2024, 09:46:37 PM »
Yeah, dammit!  Those 9 immigrants squeezed into a 1-bedroom are causing the affordable housing problem!!! 

FFS, is there nothing you won't blame them for? 
Are you arguing that immigration is exempt from supply and demand?

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« Reply #33763 on: June 29, 2024, 09:54:41 PM »
Homelessness is almost entirely a mental healthcare problem and a alcohol/drug problem.  You have to start there.
So this isn’t really accurate.

A lot of homelessness is actually financial. That’s not the homelessness we see or the kind that gets people with more security all out of sorts. People living in cars, people in shelters, a lot of that is economic or life situation problems.

I think those two issues are much greater contributors to the particular style of camping homelessness that’s more upsetting to folks, but saying that you have to start there doesn’t really solve any of the problems. we know that in many cases getting a handle on one of those is nightmarishly difficult. Even people with means and strong systems of support regularly can’t beat them. It takes a lot of willpower and want to do it, in the simple fact is, people don’t do things just because you tell them it’s good for them. (people don’t listen to the seatbelt sign on airplanes, but we expect a homeless schizophrenic to lock in on a disciplined treatment?)

I agree that the “build homes“ argument is also rather unhelpful. Modern homes are complex undertakings. Many of the folks at issue don’t have the wherewithal to hold them together. I am intrigued by the idea of smaller structures that offer more basic things like protection and security, but more complex services aren’t tied to an individual structure. Maybe you OD on something in your shed instead of on the street, but that’s probably an improvement.

The other popular alternative is to basically dissolve most of your rights and freedoms once you hit a certain level of homelessness. The government gets to lock you away, hold you for an indeterminate amount of time, force medication and treatment upon you. In addition to the inhumanity and basic opposition to some of our nation’s principles, there would also be the massive economic undertaking of constructing that infrastructure. Quite an unappetizing set of options.

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« Reply #33764 on: June 30, 2024, 01:28:18 AM »
So this isn’t really accurate.

A lot of homelessness is actually financial. That’s not the homelessness we see or the kind that gets people with more security all out of sorts. People living in cars, people in shelters, a lot of that is economic or life situation problems.

I think those two issues are much greater contributors to the particular style of camping homelessness that’s more upsetting to folks, but saying that you have to start there doesn’t really solve any of the problems. we know that in many cases getting a handle on one of those is nightmarishly difficult. Even people with means and strong systems of support regularly can’t beat them. It takes a lot of willpower and want to do it, in the simple fact is, people don’t do things just because you tell them it’s good for them. (people don’t listen to the seatbelt sign on airplanes, but we expect a homeless schizophrenic to lock in on a disciplined treatment?)

I agree that the “build homes“ argument is also rather unhelpful. Modern homes are complex undertakings. Many of the folks at issue don’t have the wherewithal to hold them together. I am intrigued by the idea of smaller structures that offer more basic things like protection and security, but more complex services aren’t tied to an individual structure. Maybe you OD on something in your shed instead of on the street, but that’s probably an improvement.

The other popular alternative is to basically dissolve most of your rights and freedoms once you hit a certain level of homelessness. The government gets to lock you away, hold you for an indeterminate amount of time, force medication and treatment upon you. In addition to the inhumanity and basic opposition to some of our nation’s principles, there would also be the massive economic undertaking of constructing that infrastructure. Quite an unappetizing set of options.

No I'm good with what I've stated.  The working poor and temporarily unemployed find their way even if it's sad or unsavory by our standards.  But the mentally ill and addicted end up on the streets.

But the real point that some of us are refuting is this one highlighted above-- building homes isn't going to solve homelessness.  It's not even going to come close to approaching it tangentially.  It's a strange red herring that completely avoids the real issue.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #33765 on: June 30, 2024, 06:26:08 AM »
You must have missed the first day of Econ 101. It isn't just "Supply", it is "Supply and Demand" and your support for millions of immigrants has an impact.
Yeah it helps provide a supply of labor to build more houses

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« Reply #33766 on: June 30, 2024, 06:27:09 AM »

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I agree that the “build homes“ argument is also rather unhelpful.
But it is the solution. People are thinking too concretely about it, which is why they want to blame other things and not the real issue.

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« Reply #33767 on: June 30, 2024, 07:12:55 AM »
Yeah it helps provide a supply of labor to build more houses
It helps if you have less regulation.

Vote for that.

We have plenty of people living here that could go to trade school rather than get a shit degree they want ME to pay for.
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