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Cincydawg

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« Reply #3220 on: March 05, 2021, 10:37:49 AM »
First coup attempt in the history of the world where they tried without any weapons.
They had fire extinguishers, oh wait,  Bear spray.  And signs.

It seemed more like a mob to me, something without a consistent purpose or goal except to be there.

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« Reply #3221 on: March 05, 2021, 10:44:55 AM »
the truth

wasn't much of anything but a protest rally

mostly peaceful
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« Reply #3222 on: March 05, 2021, 10:51:24 AM »
They got pretty rowdy, some of them anyway.  I would say many were peaceful while breaking the law, a fair number were breaking things to enter.

My GUESS is 90% were following along "because everyone else was doing it" and had no clear vision of why.

I certainly don't mean to defend any of them, it was wrong.

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« Reply #3223 on: March 05, 2021, 10:53:56 AM »
An unruly, angry, and sometimes violent mob.

I don't approve of it, I wish it hadn't happened, and it was certainly whipped up by commentary by the former president.  

But it wasn't a coup attempt and labeling it as such is silly.



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« Reply #3224 on: March 05, 2021, 10:56:50 AM »
yup, it was obviously breaking the law and they should all go to jail for a while, but.....

it wasn't a coup attempt and I really don't think Nancy's life was in danger

I could be wrong about that.  Now she and her other fellow congress folks should have been scared.  Scared of being tarred and feathered and run out of Washington.
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« Reply #3225 on: March 05, 2021, 11:00:14 AM »
They had fire extinguishers, oh wait,  Bear spray.  And signs.

It seemed more like a mob to me, something without a consistent purpose or goal except to be there.
the truth

wasn't much of anything but a protest rally

mostly peaceful
As we've talked about in the climate thread, there's a big difference between having a goal, and having a realistic plan to achieve that goal.

I think the goal was to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence. The "plan" was a murky idea that somehow, if they just showed Pence they were, like, SUPER serious, he'd refuse to accept electors, Biden wouldn't get 270, and then there'd be enough chaos sending it to the House that Trump would get 4 more years. 

I don't think the "plan" was to occupy the capitol and declare themselves our new legislative body, or to "overthrow" the government. It was to intimidate the government into doing what they wanted. 

A protest rally could have occurred outside the capitol building. A legitimate "coup attempt" probably would have required weapons. CD is right--it was a poorly-organized mob. But there was a purpose--the purpose was to intimidate Congress and Mike Pence into somehow throwing out the results of the election and getting Trump another term.

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« Reply #3226 on: March 05, 2021, 11:03:00 AM »
There is no mystery here.  The mob didn't like that Donald Trump wasn't re-elected president.  Donald Trump set up the mob in an attempt to disrupt the electoral process enough that there would be enough confusion to trigger a vote by state in the house as a way to overturn the will of the states and the people.  It was a brazen attempt to overturn the election, and he had a lot of support from Republicans to do it.

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« Reply #3227 on: March 05, 2021, 11:06:20 AM »
It was Russia!! We need an investigation. Or something.
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« Reply #3228 on: March 05, 2021, 11:07:10 AM »
First coup attempt in the history of the world where they tried without any weapons.
Gotta love the media and their bullshit reporting on this when it happened.

Only for the FBI to admit now that nobody had arms. Kinda crazy how media tried to spin it as an "armed insurrection". First armed insurrection in the history of armed insurrections without arms. Funny.

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« Reply #3229 on: March 05, 2021, 11:09:25 AM »
the truth

wasn't much of anything but a protest rally

mostly peaceful
this is the truth on the matter. ridiculous how this entire thing has been spun and how DC has been on lockdown and militarized. 

There were how many people at the protest rally? 100,000+ plus. How many of those people actually broke into the capitol building? A few hundred. 

Give me a f#kin break. This entire ordeal barely even rises to the level of being worth talking about. 

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« Reply #3230 on: March 05, 2021, 11:09:57 AM »
Gotta love the media and their bullshit reporting on this when it happened.

Only for the FBI to admit now that nobody had arms. Kinda crazy how media tried to spin it as an "armed insurrection". First armed insurrection in the history of armed insurrections without arms. Funny.
It's the same everywhere.  The crown prince of Saudi Arabia had an American journalist sawed into pieces, but was given a pass so we wouldn't disrupt oil prices. In return, he had the people he ordered do the job executed. So all these rubes who showed up at Trump's beckon will get some sort of federal punishment, even though we all know they were there at the express direction of Trump.

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« Reply #3231 on: March 05, 2021, 11:13:34 AM »
There is no mystery here.  The mob didn't like that Donald Trump wasn't re-elected president.  Donald Trump set up the mob in an attempt to disrupt the electoral process enough that there would be enough confusion to trigger a vote by state in the house as a way to overturn the will of the states and the people.  It was a brazen attempt to overturn the election, and he had a lot of support from Republicans to do it.
Trump tweeted and said things about protesting. He never organized a coup attempt or encouraged people to break the law and storm into government buildings and break shit or commit acts of violence.

He tried to set up a protest movement. Last I checked, Americans have a constitutional right to peacefully and publicly protest. Absolutely nothing wrong with that whatsoever. 

There was over 100,000+ people in the streets protesting peacefully. A few hundred of them were lunatic fringe jackasses who stormed the capitol building. Without weapons by the way.

People need to stop trying to make it into something it is not.

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« Reply #3232 on: March 05, 2021, 11:19:55 AM »
It's the same everywhere.  The crown prince of Saudi Arabia had an American journalist sawed into pieces, but was given a pass so we wouldn't disrupt oil prices. In return, he had the people he ordered do the job executed. So all these rubes who showed up at Trump's beckon will get some sort of federal punishment, even though we all know they were there at the express direction of Trump.
You are comparing apples to oranges. Donald Trump never ordered anyone to storm the capitol or break the law. He encouraged people to express their legal constitutional rights to protest. 99.99% of them did just that. A few hundreds rejects that should've been aborted went overboard. Quit acting like all 100,000+ people that were there did the same thing.

And get real- of course the US wasn't going to do a god damn thing about the Saudi's. It's not about oil prices at all. It's about protecting the petro-dollar and US defense contractors and arms dealers (aka military industrial complex) reliance on Saudi money to buy arms. Saudis buy hundreds of billions of dollars worth of arms from the US. Funny how virtually all of islamic terrorism and the extreme fundamentalist Wahhabism sect of Islam emanates from Saudi Arabia, yet the brain dead Biden is bombing the shit out of Syria right now and the US is still "fighting terrorism" with troops in Iraq & Afghanistan for 20 fkkn years.  Can't blame that senile old reject- every president before him is at fault for this garbage too.

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« Reply #3233 on: March 05, 2021, 11:26:49 AM »
You can wish it was something else.  But that's all it is...wishing. If I was a New York resident I might wish Andrew Cuomo was a decent person.  I could even create an alternate reality where he is a decent person.  But here we are.  You don't summon a protest, tell them lots of crazy, untrue things, tell them to fight like hell, and tell them you will go the capitol with them unless you are trying to stir it up. There's a pretty straight line between Trumps words and the riots, and there is a pretty easy reason to see why he wanted it to happen that way, and I think a lot of the other stuff is just people not wanting to live in that reality.

 

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