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FearlessF

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« Reply #3150 on: March 04, 2021, 09:35:03 AM »
the Iowa Governor removed all restrictions, including masks, a week or two ago.  a week or so before Texas

was at the bar last night for wings, maybe 50 -60 folks cycled thru while I was there from 5:30-10:00pm

5 or 6 wore masks coming in the front door

I'm curious as to what the grocery store will look like.

I'd didn't wear a mask at the bar, but I'm planning to wear one at the grocery
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« Reply #3151 on: March 04, 2021, 09:40:27 AM »
A governor should "heed" expert opinions about his state's situation.  There is no one size for all obviously.

I'm not sure much really changed in Texas anyway.  I'd bet those small somewhat isolated towns in west Texas did their own thing the whole time.

If the vaccine provides some resistance to the new variants, I think we'd be "OK" here and not have another wave. 
I think thats what utee and I have been telling you
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« Reply #3152 on: March 04, 2021, 09:45:22 AM »
Cincy,

What type of guidance would be useful to you and your wife now that you are vaccinated?

things like: should I still wear a mask?  Should I still wash my hands?  should I check for certain symptoms or reactions from the vaccine?
This is what the CDC was set to announce, and I suspect the bosses did not like the content.
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« Reply #3153 on: March 04, 2021, 10:48:32 AM »
I wonder what "the science" said? 

Because all "the science" can do is give you information that is useful for making decisions--"the science" doesn't make decisions for you. 

Lockdowns are a political/economic/social decision. It's a risk-reward decision. Locking down has severe political/economic/social consequences. Dead bodies piling up en masse has different severe political/economic/social consequences. "The science" doesn't tell you which consequences are worse, and for whom. 

I supported the initial lockdown for two reasons. First and foremost, it was because "the science" didn't have enough answers, but this thing looked bad enough that the precautionary principle warranted a strong response IMHO. Second, I think the initial lockdown was very useful as a mental "reset" to make the country take this thing seriously... 

I supported [and still support] mask mandates... They're minimally intrusive and appear [according to "the science"] to be quite effective at mitigating spread. I wouldn't relax them until we've gone a few more months and a much higher proportion of the population has been vaccinated. By May or so, I expect that just about anyone who wants the vaccine has probably gotten it, and if people choose not to get the vaccine and then choose not to wear a mask... Well ya get what ya get. 

And I would have REALLY liked to see much more consistent messaging to the public about what contributes the MOST to spread--gatherings with members outside your household un-masked. For humanity we cannot isolate forever, but the messaging should have highlighted that the frequency and the number of participants of those gatherings being critically important to the potential spread and damage they cause. 

"The science" says a return to school for kids is low-risk. Thus when comparing it to the social and developmental cost of keeping kids isolated, the limited efficacy of distance learning in relation to in-person learning, and the economic cost for working parents who are impacted by their kids being home during school hours, the balance should have supported a return to school. 

I didn't support the returns to lockdown, however, because I feel like they locked down low-risk activity (economic interactions where both parties are masked, outdoor dining, etc) without having any control over the high-risk activity (gatherings with members outside your household sans-mask). Listening to "the science" should have told us that we should focus on messaging about the high-risk activity and not bear the economic cost of locking down the low-risk activity. 

Does that mean I'm not listening to "the science"? Because I think on a number of these topics, OAM disagrees with me and yet he claims the mantle of listening to "the science". 

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« Reply #3154 on: March 04, 2021, 11:08:46 AM »
This is what the CDC was set to announce, and I suspect the bosses did not like the content.
but, the bosses just hand picked this person to head the CDC and send the "correct" message
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« Reply #3155 on: March 04, 2021, 11:12:30 AM »
And I would have REALLY liked to see much more consistent messaging to the public about what contributes the MOST to spread--gatherings with members outside your household un-masked. For humanity we cannot isolate forever, but the messaging should have highlighted that the frequency and the number of participants of those gatherings being critically important to the potential spread and damage they cause.

I agree 100%

unfortunately, we are not getting this from the past administration or the current administration.  I also have not heard this message from Governors of any state.

and regarding "Science", I really would have liked to hear the message that wearing a mask alone will not make you "safe" from the virus.
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« Reply #3156 on: March 04, 2021, 11:22:57 AM »
but, the bosses just hand picked this person to head the CDC and send the "correct" message
We don't know who the men and women behind the curtain are. This is becoming evident.
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« Reply #3157 on: March 04, 2021, 11:25:45 AM »
I wonder what "the science" said?

Because all "the science" can do is give you information that is useful for making decisions--"the science" doesn't make decisions for you.

Lockdowns are a political/economic/social decision. It's a risk-reward decision. Locking down has severe political/economic/social consequences. Dead bodies piling up en masse has different severe political/economic/social consequences. "The science" doesn't tell you which consequences are worse, and for whom.

I supported the initial lockdown for two reasons. First and foremost, it was because "the science" didn't have enough answers, but this thing looked bad enough that the precautionary principle warranted a strong response IMHO. Second, I think the initial lockdown was very useful as a mental "reset" to make the country take this thing seriously...

I supported [and still support] mask mandates... They're minimally intrusive and appear [according to "the science"] to be quite effective at mitigating spread. I wouldn't relax them until we've gone a few more months and a much higher proportion of the population has been vaccinated. By May or so, I expect that just about anyone who wants the vaccine has probably gotten it, and if people choose not to get the vaccine and then choose not to wear a mask... Well ya get what ya get.

And I would have REALLY liked to see much more consistent messaging to the public about what contributes the MOST to spread--gatherings with members outside your household un-masked. For humanity we cannot isolate forever, but the messaging should have highlighted that the frequency and the number of participants of those gatherings being critically important to the potential spread and damage they cause.

"The science" says a return to school for kids is low-risk. Thus when comparing it to the social and developmental cost of keeping kids isolated, the limited efficacy of distance learning in relation to in-person learning, and the economic cost for working parents who are impacted by their kids being home during school hours, the balance should have supported a return to school.

I didn't support the returns to lockdown, however, because I feel like they locked down low-risk activity (economic interactions where both parties are masked, outdoor dining, etc) without having any control over the high-risk activity (gatherings with members outside your household sans-mask). Listening to "the science" should have told us that we should focus on messaging about the high-risk activity and not bear the economic cost of locking down the low-risk activity.

Does that mean I'm not listening to "the science"? Because I think on a number of these topics, OAM disagrees with me and yet he claims the mantle of listening to "the science".
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #3158 on: March 04, 2021, 11:27:01 AM »
We don't know who the men and women behind the curtain are. This is becoming evident.
Yes- it is now obvious. 
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« Reply #3159 on: March 04, 2021, 11:29:33 AM »
We don't know who the men and women behind the curtain are. This is becoming evident.
so, possibly a power struggle going on?  They don't even know who is in charge yet?
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« Reply #3160 on: March 04, 2021, 11:30:48 AM »
Yes- it is now obvious.
it was obvious to me a many others long before Sleepy Joe was elected, that he wouldn't be making ANY decisions
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« Reply #3161 on: March 04, 2021, 11:31:32 AM »
so, possibly a power struggle going on?  They don't even know who is in charge yet?
They key is who are they?
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« Reply #3162 on: March 04, 2021, 11:35:36 AM »
we will probably never know for sure

and I'd guess that "they" are and will be ever changing

unless a true powerful leader or two gain control of the Dem party
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« Reply #3163 on: March 04, 2021, 11:41:06 AM »
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