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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #784 on: December 16, 2020, 11:04:45 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 16, 2020, 10:54:04 AM
I am wondering when Day might get on a hot seat, or rather, what it would take for that to happen.
Well it doesn't take much. Half the fanbase wanted to tar and feather Tressel for losing to top five teams more often than he beat them. Then those same fans wanted to cast Urban aside and promote Tom Herman before someone else hired him away.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #785 on: December 16, 2020, 11:05:31 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 16, 2020, 10:54:04 AM
I am wondering when Day might get on a hot seat, or rather, what it would take for that to happen.
Lose to UM, lol.
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« Reply #786 on: December 16, 2020, 11:06:42 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 16, 2020, 11:04:45 AM
Well it doesn't take much. Half the fanbase wanted to tar and feather Tressel for losing to top five teams more often than he beat them. Then those same fans wanted to cast Urban aside and promote Tom Herman before someone else hired him away.
there isn't a more crazy fan base in CFB than OSU. 
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #787 on: December 16, 2020, 11:11:14 AM »
Yeah, I was thinking something like, in successive years, going 11-2, 10-3, 9-3, 10-3, 10-3, with a couple losses to the team up north, and maybe one B1G crown.

He might not get fired for that, but there would be noise.

Who wants that job?
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« Reply #788 on: December 16, 2020, 11:25:07 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 16, 2020, 10:34:43 AM
Mike Hart called Jim out because Jim trashed Michigan publicly in a self-serving way in order to help in recruiting.

Both guys went too far.

Mike Hart is an ascending college coach, he can recruit and he can really coach RBs. I really think head coach is in his future one day. I could see him being a hell of a head coach.
FWIW:
I don't think Harbaugh's quote was trashing Michigan per-se.  The fact is that Harbaugh was right but that isn't a knock on Michigan, it is true throughout CFB.  The sad fact is that almost none of the guys we root for on Saturdays are legitimate students M-F and that is true everywhere, not just Michigan.  To an extent it is worse at Michigan because the gap between the "student" athletes and the real students is proportional to the quality of the school.  Ie, the better the school, the bigger the gap.  

I agree they both went too far.  It didn't keep Michigan from hiring Harbaugh and, if the situation presents, I expect that it wouldn't keep Michigan from hiring Hart someday.  I am a bit more doubtful that Hart and Harbaugh could actually work together at Michigan.  
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« Reply #789 on: December 16, 2020, 11:27:13 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 16, 2020, 11:02:22 AM
Meh. Hart was one of the smartest, toughest, most competitive players I've ever seen at Michigan pound for pound. He's bringing that to his college coaching career and it rubs off on his players. He didn't have the NFL body of Chris Perry or the 4.3 speed of Tyrone Wheatley, but he just might be the best back to ever play at Michigan. Fought his ass off for every extra inch, was an able pass catcher and pass blocker from day one as a true frosh. He came into Michigan a 3*, 5'8, 180 frosh RB that ran a 4.7 and left it as maybe the most complete, reliable, tough RB they've ever had.
To this point, my general observation is that the freakishly gifted athletes generally don't make good coaches.  I think it is because with they are able to compete and win based on their freakish athleticism so they don't have to learn to get the most out of themselves the same way that a less gifted athlete does.  
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #790 on: December 16, 2020, 11:28:03 AM »
There are SOME legit "student athletes", kids who would have been admitted normally.  Maybe on a football team it's ten percent?

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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #791 on: December 16, 2020, 11:28:42 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on December 16, 2020, 11:27:13 AM
To this point, my general observation is that the freakishly gifted athletes generally don't make good coaches.  I think it is because with they are able to compete and win based on their freakish athleticism so they don't have to learn to get the most out of themselves the same way that a less gifted athlete does. 
Most "great" baseball managers were minor league also rans as players.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #792 on: December 16, 2020, 11:31:54 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 16, 2020, 11:06:42 AM
there isn't a more crazy fan base in CFB than OSU.
While possibly true, they're so very rarely tested. Like, the could moan about Tress not winning titles, but they didn't go do anything about it. 
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« Reply #793 on: December 16, 2020, 11:36:51 AM »
The Florida job put UM in the hospital.  Is that rabid enough?  Spurrier left because ending the year ranked 3rd with an Orange Bowl blowout win wasn't enough for the fanbase, because the Gators didn't win the SEC or Nat'l titles.  
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #794 on: December 16, 2020, 12:11:09 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 16, 2020, 11:36:51 AM
The Florida job put UM in the hospital.  Is that rabid enough?  Spurrier left because ending the year ranked 3rd with an Orange Bowl blowout win wasn't enough for the fanbase, because the Gators didn't win the SEC or Nat'l titles. 
Agreed.  I don't deny that the tOSU fanbase can be crazy but we are hardly alone in that.  
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #795 on: December 16, 2020, 12:50:03 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 16, 2020, 11:11:14 AM
Yeah, I was thinking something like, in successive years, going 11-2, 10-3, 9-3, 10-3, 10-3, with a couple losses to the team up north, and maybe one B1G crown.

He might not get fired for that, but there would be noise.

Who wants that job?
Hell, those results are probably a fireable offense in Columbus. 

3-loss seasons means 1 of two things:

  • You're not getting everything you can out of one of the top recruiting classes, year in and year out, in the B1G. That's a coaching failure.
  • Your recruiting falls off, and 3-loss seasons are now what your talent level is capable of. That's a recruiting failure.

Either one is failure. 

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« Reply #796 on: December 16, 2020, 12:54:15 PM »
Yeah, he'd basically be Earl Bruce in that scenario. 
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #797 on: December 16, 2020, 01:16:41 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 16, 2020, 10:52:35 AM
Who ya gonna hire?

Should be THE question before firing any HC.
but, it very rarely is 
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