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bayareabadger

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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #756 on: December 15, 2020, 05:27:24 PM »
I’ll be cool with keeping Harbaugh if he takes a hatchet to his staff and decides to not wear a headset anymore.

Fire Don Brown and the entire defensive staff.

If you’re going to keep Gattis make him coach WRs and give him the Co-Oc title in name only.

Go hire Nick Sheridan and Mike Hart from Indiana- would be a GREAT start in fixing this shit bag offense. Sheridan has proven he can really coach QBs and Hart has proven he can really coach RBs.
This feels like triage. He's been rejiggering that offensive staff every few years. It's gotten worse. Maybe getting a pair of former players clicks things in, but when you get to this point, I'm not sure you can coach your way out until you beat OSU. 

Might be best to reset. That's a fact of life in the sport. You need to be better or different, and he might be out of chances for better. 

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« Reply #757 on: December 15, 2020, 07:21:59 PM »
This feels like triage. He's been rejiggering that offensive staff every few years. It's gotten worse. Maybe getting a pair of former players clicks things in, but when you get to this point, I'm not sure you can coach your way out until you beat OSU.

Might be best to reset. That's a fact of life in the sport. You need to be better or different, and he might be out of chances for better.
His record is basically the exact same as Dabo Swiney in Dabo’s first 6 years. 

Who are they going to find better right now? They might as well extend him and make the buyout basically non-existent so they can fire him if he doesn’t bounce back in a big way in 2021. 

Harbaugh’s offensive staff has sucked donkey dick. There have been years where they didn’t have a WR coach or QB coach or RB coach. Is this normal? I don’t think it is. Sheridan has developed QBs at Indiana and Mike Hart has developed RBs. Something Harbaugh and his staff flat out aren’t doing at Michigan. 

Both those guys would die to coach at Michigan if given the opportunity. They both bleed maize and blue. 

The rejiggering isn’t the problem. Harbaugh is the problem. He has never taken his hand out of the cookie jar in 6 years. He is heavily involved in the offense. And he’s basically an offensive retard when it comes to football. Brandon Jacobs wasn’t lying about the guy. 

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« Reply #758 on: December 15, 2020, 07:40:00 PM »
His record is basically the exact same as Dabo Swiney in Dabo’s first 6 years.

Who are they going to find better right now? They might as well extend him and make the buyout basically non-existent so they can fire him if he doesn’t bounce back in a big way in 2021.

Harbaugh’s offensive staff has sucked donkey dick. There have been years where they didn’t have a WR coach or QB coach or RB coach. Is this normal? I don’t think it is. Sheridan has developed QBs at Indiana and Mike Hart has developed RBs. Something Harbaugh and his staff flat out aren’t doing at Michigan.

Both those guys would die to coach at Michigan if given the opportunity. They both bleed maize and blue.

The rejiggering isn’t the problem. Harbaugh is the problem. He has never taken his hand out of the cookie jar in 6 years. He is heavily involved in the offense. And he’s basically an offensive retard when it comes to football. Brandon Jacobs wasn’t lying about the guy.
Outside my sort of general disdain for one of those terms, the bolded basically makes me say, if that's the case, then any argument for keeping him seems like triage. 

That Dabo had the same record is somewhat immaterial. He went 11-2 in year 6 and 10-3 in Year 7. Michigan ain't near that. And yes, Dabo in Year 3 took the rare route of getting more hands off on offense, but he was always a monster recruiter and worked well with their scheme to pay recruits. 

Maybe the answer is to just keep the powder dry, keep a "problem" who is an offensive coach whose offensive chops you generally detest. But chances are, it's not gonna work. It's nice to bring in IU's offensive staff that played at Michigan and really wants to come back. But I've seen them roll in a smattering of name assistants, and it's yet to produce teams that make folks happy. 

Let me put it this way. Each of the past few years, you've torched the guy. Again and again and again. If that's the case and he's the problem, then another year is almost assuredly not going to fix that. It's wishful thinking. And I suppose it’s fine to endure an extended lame duck stretch until you think a better candidate is good, but that’s what it’s gonna be. It’s possible he suddenly snaps to it, but at this point, it would basically be an accident of faith more than a plan.

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« Reply #759 on: December 15, 2020, 09:12:46 PM »
Outside my sort of general disdain for one of those terms, the bolded basically makes me say, if that's the case, then any argument for keeping him seems like triage.

That Dabo had the same record is somewhat immaterial. He went 11-2 in year 6 and 10-3 in Year 7. Michigan ain't near that. And yes, Dabo in Year 3 took the rare route of getting more hands off on offense, but he was always a monster recruiter and worked well with their scheme to pay recruits.

Maybe the answer is to just keep the powder dry, keep a "problem" who is an offensive coach whose offensive chops you generally detest. But chances are, it's not gonna work. It's nice to bring in IU's offensive staff that played at Michigan and really wants to come back. But I've seen them roll in a smattering of name assistants, and it's yet to produce teams that make folks happy.

Let me put it this way. Each of the past few years, you've torched the guy. Again and again and again. If that's the case and he's the problem, then another year is almost assuredly not going to fix that. It's wishful thinking. And I suppose it’s fine to endure an extended lame duck stretch until you think a better candidate is good, but that’s what it’s gonna be. It’s possible he suddenly snaps to it, but at this point, it would basically be an accident of faith more than a plan.
Hey I'm with you. I think he's got to go. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. The old dog has got to want to adapt- see Saban. I'd get rid of him. But I don't make the decisions. They are keeping him. The ball is in Jim's court, he can either reject the lower offer they have reported floated his way or find an NFL team- if one will have him that is. From all reports, Michigan won't be firing him. Unfortunately. I'm just trying to figure out the best case scenario.

My dream scenario would be he keeps as many recruits as he can, and then after NSD he takes an NFL job and Michigan finds a new coach. I just don't know if they fire him right now who they get. I'd like to see him come back for 2021 with a new staff, right the ship and then leave for an NFL job. Wouldn't mind seeing Mike Hart become the head coach at Michigan one day......

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« Reply #760 on: December 16, 2020, 12:42:15 AM »
I am going to make the case for Matt Campbell to be head football coach at a helmet school.

  • Campbell was on athletic scholarship at Pitt and then transferred to Mount Union, a D-III powerhouse, where he played D-Line of all places, and his teams won 3 D-III national championships. At the D-III level they get what’s left, and coaching up is more important at this level than other levels, in my opinion, to develop winners.
  • Campbell is just 41-years old.
  • At Toledo, Campbell was 35-15; 24-8 in conference.
  • At Iowa State which has never won a Big 8, or Big 12 football championship, Campbell is 34-27.
  • Campbell’s dad was a football coach in Massilon, Ohio.
  • Texas Football: Report states Matt Campbell isn’t interested (usatoday.com) They report that his only other coaching interests are Ohio State and Notre Dame.
  • Iowa State is the recruiting capital of Ames, Iowa north to maybe Mason City, and northwest to maybe Harlan, Iowa. Outside of this alley recruiting is good fortune, no fortune, slim, and good D-III, D-II, and FCS people. In Campbell’s tenure in Ames his recruiting rankings according to www.rivals.com are:
2016
53
2017
44
2018
54
2019
47
2020
47
  • But, according to “The Committee” Iowa State now ranks 6th in NCAA FBS. He is coaching people up like is done at the D-III level at which he played.
  • Campbell has a $5 million buyout, which is large but to Michigan, or Nebraska is doable.
  • If the Longhorn report is correct, at $3.5 Million per year at Ames, I am guessing he stays put unless his dream schools come knocking, or someone with a thicker wallet than Notre Dame comes knocking.


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« Reply #761 on: December 16, 2020, 01:04:58 AM »
Another good option with Midwestern connections in Bret Bielema. I thought Bret would be the next football coach at Iowa, but now he is about 50, and I see Coach Ferentz hanging around another 6-years or so.
Bielema, when he was an assistant at Iowa, was known as an outstanding recruiter. Maybe not so much at his current station in life.
He coached the Badgers to a level of success that exceeded their Dear Leader's success. I am thinking Bielema at Midwestern school would do well. And since he has coached in the professional ranks it may give top ranking recruits reason to believe they would have connections to the NFL. I have no idea what possessed Bielema to transfer to Arkansas, other than a brain fart.
At Wisconsin Bielema was 68-24. At Arkansas, Bielema was 29-34. Arkansas is 7-27 since Bielema was dismissed. So I am thinking that despite some brain fog for his decision to leave Wisconsin, Bielema could still coach and do well in the Midwest.

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« Reply #762 on: December 16, 2020, 06:15:43 AM »
Another good option with Midwestern connections in Bret Bielema. I thought Bret would be the next football coach at Iowa, but now he is about 50, and I see Coach Ferentz hanging around another 6-years or so.
Bielema, when he was an assistant at Iowa, was known as an outstanding recruiter. Maybe not so much at his current station in life.
He coached the Badgers to a level of success that exceeded their Dear Leader's success. I am thinking Bielema at Midwestern school would do well. And since he has coached in the professional ranks it may give top ranking recruits reason to believe they would have connections to the NFL. I have no idea what possessed Bielema to transfer to Arkansas, other than a brain fart.
At Wisconsin Bielema was 68-24. At Arkansas, Bielema was 29-34. Arkansas is 7-27 since Bielema was dismissed. So I am thinking that despite some brain fog for his decision to leave Wisconsin, Bielema could still coach and do well in the Midwest.
Put the crack pipe down.  Harbaugh aint going anywhere and Bret Bielema will never be hired as Michigan’s head coach.
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« Reply #763 on: December 16, 2020, 08:56:52 AM »
I am going to make the case for Matt Campbell to be head football coach at a helmet school.

well, if his only other coaching interests are Ohio State and Notre Dame... he'll just sit in Ames and torture Oklahoma and Texas until one of the coaches at his preferred schools fails.

could be 5 or 6 years
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« Reply #764 on: December 16, 2020, 09:47:00 AM »
well, if his only other coaching interests are Ohio State and Notre Dame... he'll just sit in Ames and torture Oklahoma and Texas until one of the coaches at his preferred schools fails.

could be 5 or 6 years
Not unless Michigan gets him first. 

I love the way he develops his players and the culture he’s instilled there. 

My only question is can he win with more on a bigger stage. Winning with less is a great skill, but not every coach can win with more. Lot more pressure at Michigan and lot more access to OMERGGG 5 STARZ & 4 STARZ.

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« Reply #765 on: December 16, 2020, 09:49:42 AM »
Put the crack pipe down.  Harbaugh aint going anywhere and Bret Bielema will never be hired as Michigan’s head coach.
That's a bit course but I can't see BB landing in AA - ever.He popped off at opponents and his former employer at every opportunity,when there was no reason or provocation to do so.And in every instance it blew up in his face and circled around and bit him in the ass.BB proved to be an over zealous frat boy that didn't learn with time/experience.He and that troubled tart raked UW for absolutely no reason like Don Quixote charging a wind mill thinking it a dragon.Howled about Ohio State not playing anyone then later in the week loses @ home to Toledo who was with out their QB or MVP Kareem Hunt.A program tOSU never lost to .But if Charlie Weiss can get more chances I can see miguided souls giving him a shot
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« Reply #766 on: December 16, 2020, 09:54:27 AM »
Bielema probably wishing he never left Wisconsin right about now.

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« Reply #767 on: December 16, 2020, 09:57:04 AM »
Wisconsin fans are generally happy with who they have now. There were many who did not like BB. There were more who did not like GA.
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« Reply #768 on: December 16, 2020, 09:59:10 AM »
Bielema probably wishing he never left Wisconsin right about now.
I dunno with his bank account the only reason to go back would be to repair PR
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« Reply #769 on: December 16, 2020, 10:02:44 AM »
Can't understand why or how BB hired BB  as an assitant to himself in N.England
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