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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #616 on: December 04, 2020, 12:12:43 PM »
FF... Nebraska has historically fired the AD before firing the coach.   So... Moos is probably correct in his statement.   
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« Reply #617 on: December 04, 2020, 12:14:28 PM »
yup, they allowed Osborne to retire a 2nd time and then blamed Pelini on Eichorst.
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« Reply #618 on: December 04, 2020, 12:15:25 PM »
I still find it amazing that both programs had their home run hire.... the son's who came home...  the can't miss next great coach...  and both are on the bubble with fans.   Not what anyone expected a few years ago.   Personally, I never imagined Frost would be in the situation he's in today.   I knew it would be a rebuild but I never thought that his team in year 3 would be in this bad of shape and he'd continue to lose so many of the kids he recruited.  
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« Reply #619 on: December 04, 2020, 12:22:21 PM »
Sounds like a major culture problem.
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« Reply #620 on: December 04, 2020, 12:24:00 PM »
Ed Zachery

I didn't think Frost was going to go undefeated in his 2nd or 3rd year, but I thought 8 or 9 wins in year 3 was realistic.

I still think Frost is the right guy for the job and will get to 9 wins before his contract is out.

I will be seriously doubting if Frost is struggling like Harbaugh after the time Harbaugh has had.  6 years???
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« Reply #621 on: December 04, 2020, 12:24:28 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2020, 12:22:21 PM
Sounds like a major culture problem.
Riley's very soft coddling culture
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« Reply #622 on: December 04, 2020, 12:26:58 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 04, 2020, 12:24:28 PM
Riley's very soft coddling culture
Well, he's losing his own recruits left and right too. So, it's not all on Riley.
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« Reply #623 on: December 04, 2020, 12:36:49 PM »
I'm guessing his own recruits didn't realize they were going to have to work to get a spot and were going to be held accountable along the way.

They can go back to Florida and play for the Canes and the Noles where things are easier.
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« Reply #624 on: December 04, 2020, 01:40:13 PM »
Frost has been a disaster at Nebraska. 4-8, 5-7, and now 1-4.  At least Harbaugh was good initially. Which is probably why more Michigan fans are turning on Harbaugh than Nebraska fans have turned on Frost- because Jim initially gave everyone hope that he was building something legit- and then he has been trending in the wrong direction year over year.

In 2015, Harbaugh would've been 11-2 year one if not for one of the most flukeish endings to a game with 8 seconds left I've or anyone has ever seen. I mean to go from they were in 2014 at 5-7 and losing to Rutgers to what Harbaugh did in year one in 2015 was a drastic change. In year two in 2016 the guy started out 10-0 and then lost on the road at night to Iowa by 1 point on a last second FG 14-13 only after his team was up 10-0 that game and his starting QB literally broke his collarbone I might add. And then vs Ohio State they lost literally by inches in double OT. They were *this* close to being 12-0 and undefeated in the regular season.

How quickly he turned that thing around was shocking. And how quickly it fell completely apart was also shocking.

Jim is a turnaround artist- he's got 4-5 years max in him and then he flames everyone around him out. I think even he has checked out. He's seemed like a completely spaced out weirdo for the last couple years- like his mind is elsewhere. Don't see the same fire and passion he once had.
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« Reply #625 on: December 04, 2020, 01:56:34 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 04, 2020, 12:36:49 PM
I'm guessing his own recruits didn't realize they were going to have to work to get a spot and were going to be held accountable along the way.

They can go back to Florida and play for the Canes and the Noles where things are easier.
so is that on the coaching staff who recruited them?  what are they telling the recruits if they dont expect to come in and work for playing time?
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« Reply #626 on: December 04, 2020, 02:09:12 PM »
Fans are too impatient today. Woody, Bo and Joe all had bad seasons along the way that would have gotten them shitcanned today. 

I suspect that both schools will make hires that make them wish that they had their prodigal sons back, while they are off winning somewhere else. 
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« Reply #627 on: December 04, 2020, 02:10:01 PM »
Quote from: Benthere2 on December 04, 2020, 01:56:34 PM
so is that on the coaching staff who recruited them?  what are they telling the recruits if they dont expect to come in and work for playing time?
Harbaugh has been through this as well. He's had lot of kids wind up disliking him and leaving early for NFL or transferring. You have to remember, the head coach isn't doing the majority of the recruiting- it's the assistants. Head coach will be involved in recruitments, but typically aren't the main recruiters. They'll talk on the phone here or there or meet them in person on visits- but they aren't the point man. It's the assistant that builds the relationship and gets buddy-buddy with the recruits.

Recruiting is about selling bullshit to stupid 17-18 year olds to get them to come. Getting them to come- and then keeping them there and getting them to develop and making them productive are two entirely different skill sets.
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« Reply #628 on: December 04, 2020, 02:16:02 PM »
Quote from: Benthere2 on December 04, 2020, 01:56:34 PM
so is that on the coaching staff who recruited them?  what are they telling the recruits if they dont expect to come in and work for playing time?
I don't think the Husker coaches are sugarcoating anything or making promises to these kids.
I'd guess the kids have no F" ing idea what hard work is and are a bit surprised.

most kids adapt, adjust, and fight for playing time
some don't
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« Reply #629 on: December 04, 2020, 02:17:57 PM »
I'd also guess that some of these kids were sold on the UCF fairytale that it was going to be all roses, all winning, fun stuff being undefeated and destroying opponents.

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