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Topic: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #378 on: November 21, 2020, 02:54:16 AM »
So going off the Harbaugh/Frost thing.....how are Husker fans feeling about the Frost hire?  I know the results haven't been great, but are you guys still optimistic?  What's standing in the way of success?  Is Frost the problem or is it more institutional?
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #379 on: November 21, 2020, 06:37:27 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 21, 2020, 02:54:16 AM
So going off the Harbaugh/Frost thing.....how are Husker fans feeling about the Frost hire?  I know the results haven't been great, but are you guys still optimistic?  What's standing in the way of success?  Is Frost the problem or is it more institutional?
1. Wisconsin

2. Location

3. Lack of recruiting in Texas
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« Reply #380 on: November 21, 2020, 08:52:04 AM »
I'm still optimistic

Frost isn't the problem, but ALL problems are his responsibility 

hopefully it's coming soon

Riley's roster was soft and didn't have the right mindset.

many youngsters playing today vs Illinois.  They need more reps in the system and mostly more game experience.

also, Frost has been humbled and is now coming around to the ways of the Big Ten.  Evolution of a young cocky coach that had much success early.
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« Reply #381 on: November 21, 2020, 01:59:53 PM »
So then why was Nebraska better under Mike Riley than they have been under Frost? Pelini players? 
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #382 on: November 21, 2020, 02:01:06 PM »
good question

I'd say, yes
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« Reply #383 on: November 21, 2020, 02:47:26 PM »
I'm not optimistic.  I think it is clear Frost won't get it done.  UNL is losing to teams that recruit at a level below UNL.  Maybe the services are that wrong, but it feels like development is always a year away.  Yet every March, UNL is at the top of the West... and every fall they are at the bottom.  

Every game is full of penalties, mental mistakes and frankly, head scratching calls.  The defense feels misaligned... the back 4 don't seem to support the call of the front 7.  UNL loves to blitz and play soft coverage.  Offensively.... no rhythm.  I don't see complimentary plays at all.  It feels like they are guessing.  And bluntly, this team today had zero passion to play.  

It is year 3 and Frost's record is worse than Riley's.  Nobody would have guessed that... everyone wanted Frost to succeed...  but reality is smacking the program in the face.   Majority of the team are his players at this point as well..

I hope the next coach plays a system similar to what Frost has recruited.  I'm tired of the self probation... start over of switching systems. 
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #384 on: November 21, 2020, 02:50:20 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 21, 2020, 06:37:27 AM
1. Wisconsin

2. Location

3. Lack of recruiting in Texas

I think you give too much credit to wisconsin.  That would be true if Wisky was the reason Neb wasn't winning the west.  UNL will be dead last in the West now... dead last....  That's not a Wisconsin issue. 

Location is an issue, but ISU and Iowa have overcome.  KSU is in better shape too.  It's harder, but with UNL's resources, 3 years of losing seasons under Frost shouldn't happen. 

Texas recruiting has hurt... UNL has always recruited nationally, but I don't believe they've found a replacement for the volume of talent out of that state on a consistent basis (not large #'s btw)
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« Reply #385 on: November 21, 2020, 02:50:52 PM »
today sure didn't help
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #386 on: November 21, 2020, 02:54:07 PM »
Entropy has a good take.  The Texas recruiting thing is a canard.   I had a good post on that a few years ago old board.  That's not the problem.  Folks grossly exaggerate the volume of players they chased in TX.  
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« Reply #387 on: November 21, 2020, 02:56:44 PM »
Marq... agree.  I'd say coaches recruit where they have relationships.  Frost had them in Florida and hence, why they've had more success in that state than Riley.   Riley had relationships in California... hence his focus.  
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« Reply #388 on: November 21, 2020, 02:59:06 PM »
Quote from: Entropy on November 21, 2020, 02:47:26 PM
I'm not optimistic.  I think it is clear Frost won't get it done.  UNL is losing to teams that recruit at a level below UNL.  Maybe the services are that wrong, but it feels like development is always a year away.  Yet every March, UNL is at the top of the West... and every fall they are at the bottom. 

Every game is full of penalties, mental mistakes and frankly, head scratching calls.  The defense feels misaligned... the back 4 don't seem to support the call of the front 7.  UNL loves to blitz and play soft coverage.  Offensively.... no rhythm.  I don't see complimentary plays at all.  It feels like they are guessing.  And bluntly, this team today had zero passion to play. 

It is year 3 and Frost's record is worse than Riley's.  Nobody would have guessed that... everyone wanted Frost to succeed...  but reality is smacking the program in the face.  Majority of the team are his players at this point as well..

I hope the next coach plays a system similar to what Frost has recruited.  I'm tired of the self probation... start over of switching systems. 
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« Reply #389 on: November 21, 2020, 02:59:57 PM »
well, except about the optimistic part 
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« Reply #390 on: November 21, 2020, 03:00:50 PM »
That said, UNL really hasn't made inroads within the BIG footprint from a recruiting perspective.  So in the Big12 where a Texas kid might play for UNL and prove the local schools wrong, UNL doesn't have as many kids within the BIG footprint as I thought they would at this point.  I do think kids in the footprint matter... they understand the history and the games mean a little more.  jmo
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« Reply #391 on: November 21, 2020, 03:44:21 PM »
taking kids from inside the footprint means other Big ten teams don't have them
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