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847badgerfan

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #392 on: November 21, 2020, 03:51:28 PM »
Quote from: Entropy on November 21, 2020, 02:50:20 PM
I think you give too much credit to wisconsin.  That would be true if Wisky was the reason Neb wasn't winning the west.  UNL will be dead last in the West now... dead last....  That's not a Wisconsin issue. 

Location is an issue, but ISU and Iowa have overcome.  KSU is in better shape too.  It's harder, but with UNL's resources, 3 years of losing seasons under Frost shouldn't happen. 

Texas recruiting has hurt... UNL has always recruited nationally, but I don't believe they've found a replacement for the volume of talent out of that state on a consistent basis (not large #'s btw)
Well, then win just about every head-to-head recruiting battle lately, except Benhart, who saw no path early PT in Madison - otherwise he'd be there. And they win just about every head-to-head game.
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« Reply #393 on: November 21, 2020, 04:58:25 PM »
The lesson is not to hire a former QB legend.  Wisconsin didn't hire Darrell Bevell...he's busy screwing up the Lions offense.

Bobby Newcombe is a HS football coach out in Arizona
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« Reply #394 on: November 21, 2020, 05:21:21 PM »
Could have Harbaugh, Frost and Franklin do some sorta triangular swap. 
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« Reply #395 on: November 21, 2020, 06:44:12 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 21, 2020, 05:21:21 PM
Could have Harbaugh, Frost and Franklin do some sorta triangular swap.
That sounds dirty.
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« Reply #396 on: November 21, 2020, 06:45:30 PM »
I don't want any part of it
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« Reply #397 on: November 21, 2020, 06:50:23 PM »
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« Reply #398 on: November 21, 2020, 06:54:03 PM »
Nebraska ran the ball down the throat of everybody they played in their heyday. They aren’t doing that anymore, and honestly I think running the football is dead. You need a modern passing game to win, or you’re screwed.

You need explosiveness on offense and a QB that can light up the scoreboard in today’s game- and that’s not Frost’s offensive style. Frost on offense was a run oriented guy. Same with Harbaugh and his “manball” run the ball bullshit. 

Saban realized this and years after trying to fight and get rule changes- he said if I can’t beat them, I’m gonna join them- enter Tua and the complete reconfiguration of Bama’s offense. 

Urban brought in Ryan Day to modernize the passing game, and Day has worked wonders there with Haskins and Fields. 

LSU’s offense was a joke for 20 years. Then they got a transfer named Burrow and hired Joe Burrow to design and scheme the passing game and oh they only smashed NCAA pass records and won a chip. No big deal.  

Need to throw the ball to win today. 
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« Reply #399 on: November 21, 2020, 06:59:04 PM »
*Joe Brady

Point well made.
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« Reply #400 on: November 21, 2020, 07:02:10 PM »
Next Michigan football coach Nick Sheridan
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« Reply #401 on: November 21, 2020, 07:27:10 PM »
Catchers make better managers any ways.  
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« Reply #402 on: November 21, 2020, 07:43:29 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 21, 2020, 05:21:21 PM
Could have Harbaugh, Frost and Franklin do some sorta triangular swap.
Franklin might be up for it.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #403 on: November 21, 2020, 09:25:32 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 21, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
Well, then win just about every head-to-head recruiting battle lately, except Benhart, who saw no path early PT in Madison - otherwise he'd be there. And they win just about every head-to-head game.
Honas came to UNL over Wisc.    So not everyone.  UNL has had higher recruiting rankings than Wisc for 6 or 7 straight years.  The problems are bigger than Wisc.  Now, if you want to admit that Barry Alveraz is a Judas, I'd agree with that...  That is a problem for Nebraska.  =)
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #404 on: November 21, 2020, 09:26:47 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 21, 2020, 06:54:03 PM
Nebraska ran the ball down the throat of everybody they played in their heyday. They aren’t doing that anymore, and honestly I think running the football is dead. You need a modern passing game to win, or you’re screwed.

You need explosiveness on offense and a QB that can light up the scoreboard in today’s game- and that’s not Frost’s offensive style. Frost on offense was a run oriented guy. Same with Harbaugh and his “manball” run the ball bullshit.

Saban realized this and years after trying to fight and get rule changes- he said if I can’t beat them, I’m gonna join them- enter Tua and the complete reconfiguration of Bama’s offense.

Urban brought in Ryan Day to modernize the passing game, and Day has worked wonders there with Haskins and Fields.

LSU’s offense was a joke for 20 years. Then they got a transfer named Burrow and hired Joe Burrow to design and scheme the passing game and oh they only smashed NCAA pass records and won a chip. No big deal. 

Need to throw the ball to win today.


Did you even watch UCF football under Frost?  That offense hasn't existed in Lincoln due to QB capabilities and WR talent.    I'd suggest watching some youtube of Frost's offense at UCF... Frost is more Oregon.  That's what he wants.

That said, I actually think TO's offense would work wonders today... everyone is playing defense to stop the spread and that power I/Option offense would have fun with these Defenses.   Especially TO's offense of the 80's.  When you watch old clips that offense was diverse and with Irving Fryar pushed the ball down field as well.   As practice and coaches became limited, TO shrunk the playbook.  But that 80's offense was dynamic and still ran power.    The one hesitation would be what QB wants to play in it... not sure.  Sometimes being different has its advantages.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #405 on: November 21, 2020, 09:41:45 PM »
Frost as HC Team Run/Pass Percentages (win%):
2016 UCF:  54/46 (.462)
2017 UCF:  54/46 (1.000)
2018 UNL:  54/46 (.333)
2019 UNL:  63/37 (.416)

Two things:
1 - it's best not to look at "even" as being 50/50....nearly all teams run more than they pass, due to play-call outcomes based on late-game score.  You pass a lot if you're behind with a chance to catch up, but you run a lot if you're ahead by a little or a lot, and if you're behind by a lot.  Based on EXTENSIVE research on this, I set "even" at about 58/42.  That's not scientific, just based on 1000+ team season ratios...it could easily be 56/44 or 60/40.  But it's certainly not 50/50.

2 - a team's record does affect play-calling, as the more a team loses, the further from their ideal goal of run/pass ratio they tend to stray (towards pass).  This makes the above pretty remarkable, that Frost's ratio remained the same through a losing season at UCF, an undefeated season at UCF, and a losing season at a new spot, Nebraska.

BUT, if you give any credence to my findings in #1 above, he's right in suggesting Frost has moved from being on the edge of balanced and pass-heavy (54/46) to the edge of balanced and run-heavy (63/37).  But to suggest he's been anywhere near run-heavy before 2019 would be incorrect. 
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