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CatsbyAZ

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #140 on: November 11, 2020, 03:18:43 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 11, 2020, 01:57:18 PM
this will not get Jim fired

some fans would fire him, but intelligent boosters and good athletic directors know better

beating MSU, PSU, Indiana, and everyone in the west besides Wisconsin should be the goal and should be expected.
ya just gotta hope Ohio St. can't remain at this level

and play well against them hoping for an upset once in a while


It's one thing for you and I to understand this ^^^

But what about Michigan fans? Too many Michigan fans have told me Wolverines Football is their LIFE. Those same fans tell me the entire season is a FAILURE if they don't beat Ohio State.

By their own logic, life for Michigan fans has only been worth living for TWO of the past TWENTY years (including this year).

Wolverines, time to reset your expectations for the sake of your own mental outlook.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #141 on: November 11, 2020, 03:20:24 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2020, 11:22:04 PM
I assume not, but do you live in FL? 
From a generic perspective, you're making sense here.  Even omitting IMG, south FL may very well beat the best from Tampa/St. Pete, Orlando, and Jax.  That's true. 

But it's easy to overlook 2 other spots that would include legit dudes:Pahokee/Belle Glade and the panhandle

That would put the rest of FL over the top vs Miami-Dade/Broward.  But it's a mythical 'what if' and has no right answer.
Yes, I do. 

And South FL consists of Palm Beach County, not just Dade & Broward counties- and Pahokee and Belle Glade both lie within Palm Beach County. Which is why I said, that a South FL (PBC/Broward/Dade) All-Star Squad would smoke the rest of the state, imo. There are roughly 21 million people in the state Florida, and roughly 10 million people of those 21 million people live in the 3 "South Florida" counties alone. Plus those counties have the vast majority of the wealth of the entire state. They have private religious school super teams like American Heritage in PBC and St. Thomas Aquinas in Broward County- and more often than not, those two teams alone have more talent than entire areas of the rest of the state. 

The thing throwing a wrench in our hypothetical is that IMG school in Tampa area. They recruit top players from South Florida and from all over the country. I have no idea how it's legal and they even do it- but they do.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #142 on: November 11, 2020, 03:25:30 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 11, 2020, 10:46:30 AM
With no way to reasonably research who would win a game between the Miami-area HS recruits and the rest-of-FL HS recruits, then it's just about our opinions and neither of us can claim more expertise than the other.  I'm well aware of Northwestern, Central, Heritage, Booker T Washington, Dillard, Carol City, etc.  And if he wants to go up to Palm Beach county, which is fine, then you've got Ely, Deerfield Beach, and Aquinas. 
These are legendary, traditional football powers - all. 

But those 3 counties are only about 1/3 of FL's overall population.  So who would I get?

I get Vero Beach, Seminole, Lakeland, Tampa Plant, Riverview, Manatee, Osceola, Dr. Phillips, Armwood, Bowles, Columbia, Rockledge, Merrit Island, the aforementioned Belle Glade/Pahokee, and the panhandle - Escambia, Leon, Ft. Walton Beach, Lincoln, Niceville, etc.....and every random po-dunk country boy kid with talent. 


Just a difference of opinion is all. But I think we both agree that IMG is BS.
Lol. Ely, Deerfield and Aquinas are all in Broward bro.

Palm Beach County IS part of South Florida. And if you want to talk about elite programs in PBC, you'd be talking about American Heritage in Delray. That team is freaking loaded with 5*'s and 4*'s every single year.

The 3 southernmost counties- aka the tri-counties - make up South Florida. They are all part of Metropolitan Miami. And I've lived in every single one of said counties. It's South Florida. And they don't have 1/3rd of the population of the state- they have nearly HALF.

Vero Beach is a tiny little shit hole white-trash coastal town an hour and 20 mins north of West Palm Beach. They produce very little talent. It's a poor little town of maybe 25,000 people. Seminole, Lakeland- most of these towns are.

Belle Glade/Pahokee are IN SOUTH FLORIDA. They are in Palm Beach County. And yes IMG is some bullshit.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #143 on: November 11, 2020, 03:28:14 PM »
Quote from: CatsbyAZ on November 11, 2020, 03:18:43 PM

It's one thing for you and I to understand this ^^^

But what about Michigan fans? Too many Michigan fans have told me Wolverines Football is their LIFE. Those same fans tell me the entire season is a FAILURE if they don't beat Ohio State.

By their own logic, life for Michigan fans has only been worth living for TWO of the past TWENTY years (including this year).

Wolverines, time to reset your expectations for the sake of your own mental outlook.
I wholeheartedly agree about the fans.  but, fans don't fire coaches.

Husker fans were the same or worse after TO retired

they didn't want to reset the expectations of the run from 93-97.

hell, Tom Osborne couldn't maintain that pace.

Osborne had real pressure from fans when he couldn't beat Barry Switzer.  Fortunately for Tom, Devaney was the AD at the time.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #144 on: November 11, 2020, 03:30:28 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on November 11, 2020, 09:58:20 AM
The only thing you can do is hire a guy you think will be very good and hope. And even then, Ohio State in it's natural state of being better than Michigan presents a problem.
Right- but seems as if everyone just glossed over my post a few pages back where I listed a shitload of stud players for OSU that were 1st or 2nd round picks that mainly Meyer recruited that are...NOT from Ohio! 

Ohio State wouldn't be the juggernaut it is right now without Meyer. Under Tressel they were nowhere near this dominant and they were not recruiting nowhere near this good nationally. 

IMO- had Meyer gone to Michigan instead of Hoke in 2011 or Saban gone to Michigan instead of RichRod in 2007- either one of those guys would've build juggernauts as well. 
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #145 on: November 11, 2020, 03:34:01 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 11, 2020, 01:51:18 PM
a timing issue?

recruits dried up or the Florida schools quit recruiting their own state?

I was lead to believe by ESPN and most others that any coach with a pulse could take the recruits going to Miami, Florida, and Florida St. and easily crank out top 5 teams.
Coaching matters. Look at USC. When they had Pete Carroll- they were insane. Before Carroll? Not so much. After Carroll....it's been mostly LOLs.

UF/FSU no different. It takes the right coach. That is true of ANY program, no matter how much talent is in your backyard. Florida finally looks like they have the right guy. FSU has been struggling to find that guy post-Jimbo. FSU can comeback if they find the right guy.

Miami imo- is likely dead and never coming back. Just too many hurdles there.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #146 on: November 11, 2020, 03:36:16 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 11, 2020, 01:57:18 PM
this will not get Jim fired

some fans would fire him, but intelligent boosters and good athletic directors know better

beating MSU, PSU, Indiana, and everyone in the west besides Wisconsin should be the goal and should be expected.
ya just gotta hope Ohio St. can't remain at this level

and play well against them hoping for an upset once in a while
This. His failures vs MSU, getting blown out by Indiana, and dropping games to PSU are going to get him fired. 

Also- him getting continually blown off the field by OSU is going to get him fired too. It'd be one thing if he was at least competitive in losses- and if he got an upset vs the rival every once in awhile. But he is literally getting bludgeoned to death and losing by 30-40 points. That's a super easy way to get fired.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #147 on: November 11, 2020, 06:17:17 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 11, 2020, 03:25:30 PM


Belle Glade/Pahokee are IN SOUTH FLORIDA. They are in Palm Beach County. And yes IMG is some bullshit.
How could I forget!?!  
I got a speeding ticket down by Lake Okeechobee on my way from Tampa to the Keys, but I lost it.  2 years later I get pulled over and suddenly it's a big deal.  I couldn't believe it was Palm Beach county!  

The girl I was with had a bunch of weed on her, but was asleep the whole stop.  Whew!

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #148 on: November 11, 2020, 06:39:31 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 11, 2020, 01:57:18 PM
ya just gotta hope Ohio St. can't remain at this level
SHUT...UP...YOU
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #149 on: November 11, 2020, 06:41:41 PM »
Quote from: CatsbyAZ on November 11, 2020, 03:18:43 PM
Wolverines, time to reset your expectations for the sake of your own mental outlook.
SHUT...UP...YOU
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #150 on: November 11, 2020, 06:48:20 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 11, 2020, 06:17:17 PM
How could I forget!?! 
C'mon,say it with me.you were w-w....you were w-r....,you were w-ro....you were wrooonnggg :D
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #151 on: November 11, 2020, 07:51:18 PM »
I've been saying this for awhile....Jim ain't the same guy. Hasn't been for a couple years. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBVP14wwUmI
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #152 on: November 11, 2020, 08:06:00 PM »
this is probably just a bunch of bs, but this guy did say that his "sources" were telling him that Harbaugh was coming back in late 2014, and he turned out to be right about that.

https://gregghenson.com/harbaugh-out-at-michigan?fbclid=IwAR2qC3DwFUBCPw1vpnEedSWysO_GZETbHkkE98rwm_7-6lrkF5ue3aDScyM


Anyway...he's saying Harbaugh and UM AD have already parted ways amicably and will be announced Jim's leaving at end of this year. Also claims that Harbaugh has been told to tone it down and has had to fight the administration at the school over things and that there are roadblocks in his way- but doesn't get into specifics of anything at all or say that the alleged roadblocks are exactly. Not sure I buy any of that.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #153 on: November 11, 2020, 10:31:50 PM »
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