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Topic: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost

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Cincydawg

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2020, 01:30:58 PM »
IF expectations are indeed that low, then he should be fine unless he makes a habit of losing also to MSU and IU et al.

I'm not sure PTB expectations are that modest.

UGA fired Richt who was averaging nearly 10 wins a season.

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2020, 01:46:44 PM »
did Richt get more than 6 seasons?
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #58 on: November 09, 2020, 01:50:46 PM »
did Richt get more than 6 seasons?
Of course he did, and had some good years in that obviously.  Folks wanted the program to take that "next step", expectations and all that.  I suspect Richt did better at beating rivals and overall record than Harbaugh has done to date.

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« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2020, 01:51:08 PM »
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« Reply #60 on: November 09, 2020, 01:54:17 PM »
Of course he did, and had some good years in that obviously.  Folks wanted the program to take that "next step", expectations and all that.  I suspect Richt did better at beating rivals and overall record than Harbaugh has done to date.

yup, I think after 10 seasons or so, fatigue of lack of big wins takes a toll, but at 6 or 7 seasons a coach winning at a good pace, but just missing vs rivals such as Ohio St. or Bama get more time to get over the hump.

I just don't see Ohio St. as the big problem for Harbaugh
now obviously, if Jim can upset the Buckeyes that makes up for losses to Michigan st to some extent
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« Reply #61 on: November 09, 2020, 03:51:48 PM »
did Richt get more than 6 seasons?
Richt won 61 games his first six seasons with two SEC titles and a loss to the national champ in the title game. The first big disappointment year was 2008, and then the slipped and Bama rose and that was that. 

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #62 on: November 09, 2020, 05:09:40 PM »
Who would they get? Matt Campbell? A guy with zero conference titles, who is winless in CyHawk games?

What would be the point? An attempt to prove that there are coaches out there who could muster the same results as Harbaugh for less money?
Campell's beaten Texas,Oklahoma - without the benefit of being a blue blood.Sumtin' Jimmy's failed to do.We went extended on this subject a month ago.He's won BIG 12 COY - 2X,You should have jumped in instead of well ya he sux 😁He does a lot with a little.Lost last year by 1pt and went to OT and lost by 3 with one blow out loss 42-3.Want to bet Iowa has sent a lot more talent to Sundays
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #63 on: November 09, 2020, 06:13:25 PM »
If Purdue has a resurgent year, and somehow faces [and beats] OSU in the "championship" week--either because Purdue overachieves relative to their station and finishes 1st in the West or because OSU has a fluke loss or two and falls, does Brohm get a look? 

Things in Brohm's favor:


  • Improved WMU and then Purdue, so he's shown he can improve program.
  • Recruits above his station.
  • Big offensive-minded coach.
  • Proven that he can actually beat OSU.

Negatives:

  • Offense potentially seen as "gimmicky" due to trick plays/etc. 
  • Going 4-8 in 2019 kinda knocked the lustre off his coat. 
  • Never proven that he can do it at the highest level.
  • So far his "highs" have been 1st place finishes in Conference USA, and that was after Willie Taggart and Bobby Petrino had revived the program, not him.

Not that I want him away from Purdue, but do you think any possible result this year at Purdue would get him a look?


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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2020, 06:23:19 PM »
any possible result?

sure, if he wins the West and beats OSU in the champ game
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« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2020, 06:56:28 PM »
I don’t see Michigan going after Brohm. 

The guy they absolutely should target is ex LSU Co-OC and current Carolina Panthers OC Joe Brady- but my guess is he’s an NFL HC next year. 

What the guy did with Joe Burrow is unreal. Obviously Burrow had something special in him all along- but without transferring to LSU and getting coached up by Joe Brady he never becomes a legend and the #1 pick in the nfl draft.

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2020, 08:17:57 PM »
did Richt get more than 6 seasons?
Twice that, or some-such.
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« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2020, 08:23:58 PM »
Richt won 61 games his first six seasons with two SEC titles and a loss to the national champ in the title game. The first big disappointment year was 2008, and then the slipped and Bama rose and that was that.
He lost to Florida in both of those Sugar Bowl seasons, including UGA's only loss in 2002.  Salty.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #68 on: November 09, 2020, 08:33:21 PM »
Dangerous times for Georgia, Michigan and Penn State

https://www.espn.com/college-football/insider/story/_/id/30280401/why-big-college-football-programs-georgia-michigan-penn-state-struggling
This makes me wonder what the magic number is for the top teams in a given stretch is.  We all remember that OU stunk in the 90s, and Texas, too, for a time (even now?).  More recently, we've seen Nebraska and Tennessee fall off a cliff, over a decade plus.  Florida fell off, but seems to be relevant again. 
FSU hasn't mattered in over 5 years and Miami in more than 10.  But who has replaced them?  How would you rate ND of the past 7-8 years?  2 undefeated regular seasons are special....but they haven't threatened to be the best program. 
There's Bama and Clemson.....and OU and OSU seem bored winning their conference every year.  With the PAC's absence from relevance, that must mean USC has been down and no single northern PAC team has mattered since Mariota left Eugene.

Penn State is 0-3, but they're 14th by S+P.  I don't think there's anything wrong with their program, other than simply not being Ohio State.  I do wonder about the B1G, though.  Will the balance of power EVER shift west?  In the SEC, the East was initially stronger, in the first 8-10-12 years, then the West stood up in a big way for a long time.  Does divisional balance, even over decades matter?

Who matters now that didn't in 1999? 
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #69 on: November 09, 2020, 08:37:32 PM »
that is a factor, I think

if Oregon or Wisconsin step up to replace a helmet, then it's easier for a helmet to tarnish and fall out

Clemson came up with Dabo and has replaced someone
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