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Topic: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost

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847badgerfan

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2020, 11:34:17 AM »
Particularly at RB, where multiple guys can factor
I remember when UW had White, Ball and Gordon in the room. I'll take that again. 3 STARZ, except Gordon, who was a very low 4* rating.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2020, 11:51:01 AM »
Yeah, I liked having Chubb/Michel/Swift as a trio as well.  I think Zamir White is not quite there at this point, and perhaps the OL has regressed, and the passing game.

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« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2020, 11:56:45 AM »
His problem is expectations.  I think UM fans expect to be "elite", and they are not recruiting at the elite level IMHO.

2018  22nd

2019  8th

2020  14th

If you want a very good program, those 247 rankings are just that, very good.  But not elite.
I agree, but the lack of being elite isn't what is going to get him fired.

Losing to Michigan St., Indiana, Wisconsin, and Penn St will get him fired.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2020, 11:58:58 AM »
https://247sports.com/Article/Jim-Harbaugh-naming-potential-replacements-at-Michigan-Luke-Fickell-PJ-Fleck-Mario-Critsobal-Dave-Clawson-Bryan-Harsin-154457776/?fbclid=IwAR2yr6pTBlAvV-aymSXXLD5owRiTETJA3oLbtzimjqWjX6GhKAv0p4TRxaA

"Who could Michigan go after? This is the tricky part,” Thamel wrote. “As hiring a coach in the COVID-19 world is hard, just like just about anything in this world. Iowa State’s Matt Campbell would be a popular name. Minnesota’s P.J. Fleck won historically big at Western Michigan and could resuscitate Michigan’s haphazard recruiting operation. Oregon’s Mario Cristobal would be able to energize the recruiting as well.

“As would Cincinnati’s Luke Fickell, although it’s hard to think of a born-and-bred Buckeye willingly wearing maize and blue. Wake Forest’s Dave Clawson is a proven winner and would fit the school’s academic leanings. Boise State’s Bryan Harsin has won big, but he’s got no local ties.”

It seems every coach on the list, maybe aside from Cristobal, would take a step up in their job. However, Fleck is currently struggling with Minnesota at 1-2, but had a historic 2019. Campbell, as Thamel pointed out, is a popular name and a solid coach.

Fickell has Cincinnati on the doorstep of the College Football Playoff with his undefeated Bearcats and already turned down Michigan State prior to the 2020 season. Clawson and Harsin would definitely see job upgrades with the resources of Michigan in the Big Ten, should they be the replacement.
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« Reply #46 on: November 09, 2020, 12:13:35 PM »
Yeah, I liked having Chubb/Michel/Swift as a trio as well.  I think Zamir White is not quite there at this point, and perhaps the OL has regressed, and the passing game.
I just had someone order 2014 UGA, with Chubb/Gurley/Michel.  How'd Richt screw that up? lol
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« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2020, 12:16:08 PM »
If Dooley can HC at UGA while Dye HCs at Auburn (each attended the other school), Fickell can HC at UM.  
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2020, 12:32:26 PM »
PJ ain't going to AA. UMich isn't about to let his RTB schtick within a country mile of the home sideline of the Big House.

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« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2020, 12:39:32 PM »
Exactly. Very few schools would allow that stuff.
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« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2020, 12:53:19 PM »
Michigan is still recruiting OK, but not at the level of OSU, etc. UW is closer to Michigan than it is to Nebraska, and has beaten both for many recruits this year.


https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/
Ohio State and Alabama have been recruiting at levels no one else can match. Georgia and Clemson have been right there as well, but not quite to the level of OSU/BAMA imo. 

The 'crootin rankings matter. Especially if you are a poor developer of talent- which I believe Harbaugh to be.

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2020, 12:56:16 PM »
His problem is expectations.  I think UM fans expect to be "elite", and they are not recruiting at the elite level IMHO.

2018  22nd

2019  8th

2020  14th

If you want a very good program, those 247 rankings are just that, very good.  But not elite.
This is not good. Especially when you consider his first two full classes (2016/2017) were ranked 8th and 5th.  

22nd and 14th won't cut it.

Having said that- his classes ranked significantly higher than MSU or IU over those years. And neither one of those games were close at all. He got wiped out by teams with inferior talent.

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2020, 12:57:51 PM »
I agree, but the lack of being elite isn't what is going to get him fired.

Losing to Michigan St., Indiana, Wisconsin, and Penn St will get him fired.
This. Losing to a horrible Michigan State team at home this year- and getting blown out by Indiana and Wisconsin is what will do him in. 

If he was dominating everyone but just losing to OSU every year the calls for his head wouldn't be this loud.

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2020, 01:04:33 PM »
No doubt losses this year have pushed this to the front burner, but I think losing to Ohio State year after year, if it happened, would have done the same thing, just at the end of next season.  Expectations.

Michigan fans and Big Donors thought JH would bring them UP in the world, significantly, to the level of Ohio State, which is ELITE, not pretty good.

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« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2020, 01:10:31 PM »
I just had someone order 2014 UGA, with Chubb/Gurley/Michel.  How'd Richt screw that up? lol
That was a weird case, more schedule-wise than coaching-wise. Gurley tore his ACL six games in. QB was one of the most average they've had, same with WRs, still were No. 7 in points per drive.

Defense was good on a per-play basis, less so on a drive basis, not sure why. 

But they also had three of those games that drive a fanbase bonkers. They lost:
-A shootout with South Carolina that was quirky 
-The game where Treon Harris threw six passes and Florida score 38 to put off Will Muschamp's firing
-The most insane game you will see against a actually really fun/good GT team

Neither UF or South Carolina was all that good. 

Like that UGA team both played better than its talent on average, but also lost three disappointing games. They had some relatively nice wins and crushed a lot of folks. It was a kinda fitting year before the firing sendoff for Richt. 

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2020, 01:27:26 PM »
No doubt losses this year have pushed this to the front burner, but I think losing to Ohio State year after year, if it happened, would have done the same thing, just at the end of next season.  Expectations.

Michigan fans and Big Donors thought JH would bring them UP in the world, significantly, to the level of Ohio State, which is ELITE, not pretty good.
cooler heads at the top understand beating a team like Ohio St., Clemson, or Bama is just unrealistic.  This keeps Jim around for another 5 -10 years if his only losses are to top 4 teams.

Fans on the other hand are not realistic and have no patience
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