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MrNubbz

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #126 on: June 26, 2020, 08:50:14 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 26, 2020, 03:25:28 AM
It's kind of funny.  The issue is having to play USC/UCLA in the RB and playing Miami in the OB, right? 
I guess I have 2 questions:
a - which specific games would the outcome have been different without the homefield advantage?
b - aren't you simply complaining that USC and Miami were good enough to even play in these bowls?  If Miami, an indepedent, had simply gone 7-4 every year in the 80s, there'd be no complaint, right?  If Oregon had happened to be the class of the PAC-8/10/12 for the last 50 years, there'd be no complaint. 
That's exactly the point teams travel west when UCLA/USC where in fact staying on Campus.Years ago when I was still gambling travel and temperature was factored into out come.When you are acclimated to the weather all year in one place and then leave for a week into a climate with at least a 40 degree swing it has an effect.Hell one columnist for one of the Vegas wagering rags wrote a great article on just this.He pointed out when I believe it was S.Alabama played UW-Green Bay - in college basketball no less was favored and came up to Wisc it was in the low teens.Even though the game is inside getting off a plane and getting blasted by winds coming down out of canada evidently wasn't to their liking.UW-GB won and covered the spread

Anyway,The USC campus is 20 miles from Pasadena,UCLA 27 - who-boy real inconvenience packing all your shit and heading out - NO?When Cindy's family comes up from S.Car. or Florida - Jax & G'Ville we give them our winter coats....in October.It's just the way it is,you're use to cold weather and start sweating your ass off in 80 deg - it has an effect.Do you really believe all those one score contests wouldn't change if the Games were held in january in Chicago/Milwaulkee/Cleveland/Pittsburgh? when the So Cal boys are catching waves one day then playing in an Alberta Clipper the next - no effect right?Again look how many years Tampa bay lost to Green Bay - when the Pack just wasn't any good
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #127 on: June 26, 2020, 09:03:27 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on June 26, 2020, 08:06:35 AM
In my dreams I see home field advantage in the playoffs. 
The year OSU lost to LSU in the Suger Bowl (no HFA advantage there),Penn State played T A&M in San Antonio,Michigan played FLA in the Citrus bowl and Illinois played the Trojans in the Rose.According to one of our Board Laureates there is nothing to see here
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #128 on: June 26, 2020, 09:20:40 AM »
I'd opine there is little to no benefit in lesser bowls.  

The crowd noise is simply not a factor.

In domes with major bowls, it is a factor.  

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #129 on: June 26, 2020, 09:30:18 AM »
As an ex-Big 8, ex-Big12 and now Big10 fan...  the bowl games/locations for the BIG bowls cost more money than where UNL used to travel.   And Nebraskan's retire south into Texas or go to Arizona.   UNL fans still travel, but if the economy stalls for several years, will that still be the case?
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #130 on: June 26, 2020, 09:33:52 AM »
I presume most fans who travel 200+ miles to bowls shape a vacation around that event, right?  They stay 2-3 days?  The Peach Bowl could be an exception.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #131 on: June 26, 2020, 09:45:46 AM »
Quote from: Entropy on June 26, 2020, 09:30:18 AM
As an ex-Big 8, ex-Big12 and now Big10 fan...  the bowl games/locations for the BIG bowls cost more money than where UNL used to travel.  And Nebraskan's retire south into Texas or go to Arizona.  UNL fans still travel, but if the economy stalls for several years, will that still be the case?
Your post brings up another good reason why they are nuts if the expand the playoffs.People just don't have the coin to keep traveling to different,far away venues - buying tickets for the game and a plane ride to/fro and perhaps rent a car.The wonks just don't get it
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #132 on: June 26, 2020, 09:52:52 AM »
Yup, a lot of fans will hold off on the first round hoping to make the second round where they will spend money.

We could also on occasion have playoff games at places like Duke.

"We" envision games like Alabama playing at Wisconsin in January .... 

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #133 on: June 26, 2020, 10:02:57 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 26, 2020, 08:23:56 AM
The stats on home field advantage are less than I would have thought it would be.  Ftbobs did a great study on point differential in conference games home and away, and the HFA was 3-6 points, least in the SEC which was a surprise.

Obviously, that is diluted further in ANY bowl game.

But HFA in a playoff game say between 8 and 1 would be on the high end, usually, in addition to the "normal" spread.  An 8th ranked team playing at Alabama or Clemson or LSU or Ohio State would obviously not win very often, maybe 10% of the time?
i'd venture to say an 8th ranked team is going to struggle vs a #1 ranked team more often than not, regardless of location. perhaps @ftbobs can provide those stats? say 8v1 anywhere, 8v1 with each at home, and 8v1 neutral.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #134 on: June 26, 2020, 10:14:22 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on June 26, 2020, 09:45:46 AM
Your post brings up another good reason why they are nuts if the expand the playoffs.People just don't have the coin to keep traveling to different,far away venues - buying tickets for the game and a plane ride to/fro and perhaps rent a car.The wonks just don't get it
all these appearances for bama in last decade, i've made 2 trips for post season games.
first was pasadena, cause it was first time in my adult life bama had a chance to win title, no one had a clue we'd go on this run, and so i thought might be my only chance for at least a long time to go to a game like that. plus i'd never been to cali and it's the rose bowl. put a big dent in knocking off bucket list things for me that trip. good times.
second one was vs clemson in sugar a couple years ago. and only reason i went then was i have a brother living in nola and free place to stay, and we got tickets relatively cheap.

having said that, if some of those games were in tuscaloosa, i'd have definitely gone to more of them.

my point is it's a double edge sword. there's going to be people that can't/wont go to the traveling games, no denying that. but you'll pick up a lot of people that don't go to those anyway. stadiums will still be packed, so schools won't be losing money. the cities, on the other hand, might suffer a little. but not really, cause right now, after november, very very few college towns have vacationers anyway.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #135 on: June 26, 2020, 11:34:13 AM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on June 26, 2020, 10:02:57 AM
i'd venture to say an 8th ranked team is going to struggle vs a #1 ranked team more often than not, regardless of location. perhaps @ftbobs can provide those stats? say 8v1 anywhere, 8v1 with each at home, and 8v1 neutral.
Yeah, probably, but we tend to forget that upsets happen, and more often when you have a top ten pairing.  That 8th place team even if correctly seeded is still a very good team in most cases, probably the 3rd best opponent the 1st place team has faced.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #136 on: June 26, 2020, 12:24:05 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 26, 2020, 09:33:52 AM
I presume most fans who travel 200+ miles to bowls shape a vacation around that event, right?  They stay 2-3 days?  The Peach Bowl could be an exception.
I think it depends a lot on your status and what the trip is.  

When I was single with no kids bowl trips were either solo or with my brother and/or some friends so it was a "boys trip" for the game.  Anything other than the game was basically irrelevant.  Still, we (the boys) got to NOLA early for the 2008 Sugar Bowl so that we could visit the casinos and get a bunch of NOLA food and we (the boys again) had a few days in Tempe around the 2003 Fiesta Bowl.  

Now that I'm married with a kid (and another on the way) things are different.  My wife wouldn't agree to a "boys trip" because she'd want to go but she wouldn't want to go to Minneapolis in January so @OrangeAfroMan has a point.  Realistically, I'm not going to a January Bowl game in Minneapolis.  She *MIGHT* agree to Chicago in January and she would definitely agree to NYC so if the Buckeyes ever go to that Gotham Bowl or whatever it is called I'll probably be there.  Otherwise it is going to have to be a place she would enjoy visiting so LA (Rose), NOLA (Sugar), Miami (Orange), Tucson (Fiesta), ATL (Peach) and maybe a few others are about it.  
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #137 on: June 26, 2020, 12:26:01 PM »
These bowls trips get expensive when you take your family.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #138 on: June 26, 2020, 12:32:17 PM »
Some Buckeye fans would be less likely to go, since it is cold. 

Others might be more likely to go, since they can drive instead of fly. 

Some of the northern stadia are of course domed. So the weather wouldn't really play a factor other than limiting outdoor recreation during the trip. 

A lot of Ohio FB fans are accustomed to attending games at Cleveland Browns Stadium in the winter, with the bone-chilling wind blowing in off the lake. If you layer up properly, it really isn't that bad. Particularly if you have a libation or three. Long johns as a base layer, a union suit over that, and then regular clothes over that. A ski suit, if it is really, really cold.

The Southern fans would hate it, which doesn't particularly bother me. 
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #139 on: June 26, 2020, 12:38:00 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 25, 2020, 09:53:45 AM
They are north of me, and in the Big something conference, I can't keep them straight anyway.

I don't think playing in the south is a particular advantage for southern teams.  The lesser bowls don't sell out, the crowd noise is generally pretty tame, and playing in better weather is better.  I bet Ohio State would rather play in Orlando than Chicago.
Would you think that playing bowl games in northern cities would be no particular advantage for northern teams? 
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