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Topic: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #56 on: April 13, 2021, 02:56:01 PM »
Just can’t help yourself can you?

Of course your very tainted opinion on this is making several false assumptions.  We will ignore the class warfare you seem to implant in everything, and go straight to your assumption that new tech is by definition “ good” or better, and Anyone who doesn’t see it that way ( not one of the lemmings in your famous “ masses” ) is wrong.

herein lies the problem....I don’t give a shit what you think about me buying a gas powered car. It has all the latest tech that is “ better” by the way in respect to safety and convenience.
lol
I'm basically suggesting major automakers are looking out for themselves and you react like I shot your dog.  

You're weird.
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« Reply #57 on: April 13, 2021, 02:58:54 PM »
Make more money. Beat your competitors to the technology. Reward your shareholders and see your stock price go up. Good PR.

This would be true IF they weren't all working in lockstep.  These guys don't make company decisions, they play golf and make INDUSTRY decisions.  Because it's good for the group.
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #58 on: April 13, 2021, 03:53:17 PM »
We'd all be in EVs today if GM and Ford decided it'd make them an extra dollar back in 1993. 
In 1993 ....   do you really believe this is true?

EVs are still pushing technology TODAY almost 30 years later with obvious limitations.  The tech is still developing to make them a rational choice.  GM and Ford couldn't have changed that.  The GM EV from 2000 was a very very limited vehicle because the tech did not exist.

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« Reply #59 on: April 13, 2021, 04:00:48 PM »
In 1993 ....  do you really believe this is true?

EVs are still pushing technology TODAY almost 30 years later with obvious limitations.  The tech is still developing to make them a rational choice.  GM and Ford couldn't have changed that.  The GM EV from 2000 was a very very limited vehicle because the tech did not exist.
Who was working on advancing the tech in 1993?   **this should probably read "getting it to market"?
Top men? 
Doubtful. 
1993 was a year pulled out of the air, but yes, I believe we could have had it in the 90s up to today if it was a hair-on-fire priority.  But keep in mind, you sound like you're comparing what would be acceptable today and comparing it to back then.  I didn't say that.  We may have been driving around the EV equivalent of a crank-up car from 1904, but they could've been widespread, faults and all.
We wouldn't have known any better that it sucked.
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #60 on: April 13, 2021, 04:19:23 PM »
Interesting.  I have no clue on what evidence or logic that is based beyond some notion corporations are evil.

Corporations attempt to provide what the customers want profitably.  They aren't always good at it.  GM made an effort that was widely lampooned 1996-1999.

General Motors EV1 - Wikipedia

They made a bit over a thousand vehicles.  The market wasn't there, in large part because the technology wasn't there.  The technology TODAY isn't "there", if by there one means a car with competitive economics and general capabilities to an ICE vehicle of similar capabilities.  That is why 98.5% of cars today are not EVs.




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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #61 on: April 13, 2021, 04:50:36 PM »
You can only dictate your own pace, not the rest of the market's.

If you choose a pace that's too risky, you lose. If you choose a pace that's too cautious, you lose. Because you can't control the rest of the market.
Your wasting your time with this guy.  He is beyond clueless about how businesses work, succeed or fail and has never been near a Boardroom.  

Like the ignorant masses he so often criticizes- he forms and spouts opinions about things he has a knowledge deficit in. As you said, narrative thinking.  All big companies and those who run them are EEVViIILL!  Poor guy. 
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« Reply #62 on: April 13, 2021, 04:52:15 PM »
Your wasting your time with this guy.  He is beyond clueless about how businesses work, succeed or fail and has never been near a Boardroom. 

Like the ignorant masses he so often criticizes- he forms and spouts opinions about things he has a knowledge deficit in. As you said, narrative thinking.  All big companies and those who run them are EEVViIILL!  Poor guy.
I find the attitude to be interesting, and wonder on what it is based.  I worked for a large company and frankly did not enjoy it, but it was work.  There were a lot of issues.  But the company was trying to earn money.  They often were stupid about it.

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« Reply #63 on: April 13, 2021, 04:54:38 PM »
I find the attitude to be interesting, and wonder on what it is based.  I worked for a large company and frankly did not enjoy it, but it was work.  There were a lot of issues.  But the company was trying to earn money.  They often were stupid about it.
It’s the old Schtick.  

“ the man is keeping us down”

been around for a long time lol
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #64 on: April 13, 2021, 05:15:00 PM »
easier to blame "the man" than to take responsibility
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« Reply #65 on: April 13, 2021, 05:16:57 PM »
lol
I'm basically suggesting major automakers are looking out for themselves and you react like I shot your dog. 

You're weird.
This would be true IF they weren't all working in lockstep.  These guys don't make company decisions, they play golf and make INDUSTRY decisions.  Because it's good for the group.
Obviously they're looking out for themselves and their bottom line. They're supposed to do that. They ain't non-profits! 

But again, you're complaining now that they're all, as an industry, shutting down an alternative technology that doesn't even hurt them. It changes the powertrain in their cars, but it's not like they're being replaced by teleportation or jetpacks or something else that would legitimately threaten them. As you can see, they're all starting to release EVs, which they wouldn't do if EVs as a technology were changing the entire paradigm of transportation.

And then you treat them as a cartel, who all are behaving in lockstep through shady backroom or golf course deals. What, you think the CEO of Ford is playing golf with the CEO of Hyundai and the CEO of VW and the CEO of Honda and all agree that they're going to shove technology [tech which doesn't hurt them] under the rug and that nobody will dare defect?

I think you should research Occam's Razor--the simplest explanation is that the tech is a lot harder than you think it is, which is why it's only available in luxury cars or range-limited cars today. Not because of nefarious CEOs trying to squash it. 

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« Reply #66 on: April 13, 2021, 05:25:03 PM »
This reminds me of the ancient conspiracy notion that someone had developed an 85 mpg carburetor but GM or Exxon or the Saudis had bought the patent to suppress it.

This was ludicrous on several levels but it had some play even before social media happened.

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« Reply #67 on: April 13, 2021, 05:35:45 PM »
it was true, ask Nubbz

you just had to place the correct magnets on the fuel line in the proper places
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #68 on: April 13, 2021, 05:36:53 PM »
Geesh, yeah, I recall the magnet ads for your fuel line.  Holy cow.  What other complete fake things have been foisted on the unwary?

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #69 on: April 13, 2021, 05:39:15 PM »
Geesh, yeah, I recall the magnet ads for your fuel line.  Holy cow.  What other complete fake things have been foisted on the unwary?
Homeopathy.

 

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