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But the impression we get is that you were saying "California is dangerous" rather than "certain neighborhoods in certain parts of California are dangerous", which are two VERY different things.

OF COURSE certain parts of California are dangerous, just as certain parts of Ohio are dangerous. I'll bet if you look at Utah, there are certain parts of the metro SLC area that are dangerous.

And... Quite frankly, nowhere is "safe", even your little slice of heaven in Southern UT. For all you know, some serial killer might be planning your demise right now. To be fair, the ODDS are much lower where you live than elsewhere, but it's still not 100% safe.

As Otter said, can you really blame an entire state for a few bad apples? I'm not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America, sir!


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Yeah, SLC is definitely a dump. That's where the bulk of those crime statistics most likely originate, along with Ogden and other regional cities. (No, not ALL of SLC is a dump.) It is also a bright blue island in a sea of red, so that doesn't help.

Most of the crime that goes on here in SW Utah is committed by people who are passing through on I-15. So they are quite likely Californians, although they might have only come from Vegas.

My aged Aunt lives in Central Utah, and her primary form of entertainment is to sit there and listen to the police scanner for hours on end. It is actually quite comical listening to what they have to waste their time doing, since there isn't any actual crime.

If someone got mugged there, they'd get to the bottom of it instead of being all like "well that sucks. Give us a call if it happens again. We won't actually do anything, but at least all your neighbors will brand you as a 'snitch' which will make you an even bigger target than you already are. Good luck."

You'll be delighted to know that your comparison of polygamists to urban gangstas isn't completely unfounded.

Both groups have been known to break out into a mean game of street ball.

I think I compared them in the sense that both situations were wild exaggerations of the actual facts on the ground. 

But anyway, no need to discriminate against our polygamist or urban brethren. 

AC is the best use of my money when it comes to actual satisfaction in my life. I say this with no reservations. Had a place with bad AC for a year, went to one with good AC, whooo boy.

Don't get me wrong, AC feels great when it's hot as hell outside. But it doesn't have much soul and I'm never quite far away from remembering my pleasure is being powered by a heat exchanger.  I'm happiest when the windows are open and you can feel the breeze through the house, and sitting on the porch is just sitting in another room in the house.

You can actually spend the night in the Warren Jeffs house, which is kind of insane.

No, I haven't done it.

I wonder who owns it. I'd like to thing victims leveraging it for restitution, but who knows?

Well it is a long story, and it's not very entertaining.

The gist of it is that his former body guard won it in a settlement, after starting up a rival sect.

Well that is less than ideal. 

Well his "victims" refused to participate in his prosecution, mostly because they didn't consider themselves to be "victims."

Like I said, it's a long story.

I was reading up on some of it. What a long story. 

Yeah, when the government tries to bust one of these groups up all it does is cause them to splinter into smaller and smaller groups that each operate independently, making them much more difficult to track. At that point one "problem" all of a sudden becomes multiple "problems."

Hail Hydra