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I have no problem with eliminating the cash bail as long as its not a catch and release situation

if these folks fail to appear in court then the state needs to treat them as criminals put them in jail and no bail allowed

So here's the thing BB, I don't actually think Utah is full of folks marrying 15 year olds, even if those people are letter of the law criminals. That's an exaggeration.

But the problem is, we seem to only be talking in exaggerations, so it's hard to take anything seriously. You seem to imagine California to be some kind of urban hellscape dotted by well-protected gated communities. And it is not. By and large, it doesn't celebrate many sexual oddities at all. Some weird people do, but some of your weird neighbors have no problem wedding young girls to old men. And you've found a way to forgive them that, and even defend it.

California is just a big place. Outside the fact that some parts are extra expensive and have some of the problems of dense cities in big urban areas, it's pretty similar to a lot of places. Huge swaths of the 163,696 square miles would suit many of your political and cultural tastes. It's just an arbitrary set of lines and an arbitrary name.

(Also, you don't have to chose between pimps and other folks who break the law. I'd chose neither. Having to chose at all is a mighty straw man. In 20-plus years, never dealt with a pimp in the Golden State. Closest brush would probably be my dad listening to an old mechanic complain his rent went up when the adult hookers were cleared out of some industrial town)

I'd rather deal with an atheist mugger than someone so indoctrinated as that, above.  But that's just me.

Hmmm, I didn't think we'd get here. We've gone so far with this straw man, you're close to standing up for the men who groom and sleep with girls like those in the photo? Because they're at least better than pimps, who most folks in the state of California never deal with? Odd.

Anyway, alas, not much chance I'd move out to your neck of the woods anytime soon. Still an employed person, and since I don't work in the airline or healthcare field, don't think I'd want to take the paycut. Too young to retire.

Oh darn, I don't know what I'll do without you living here. Insert Austin Texas joke.

I already said I'm not defending them, I am simply comparing these neighbors to my previous neighbors. I also didn't say that most Californians have to deal with pimps on a regular basis. If they did, then they wouldn't be democrats. What did you say about straw men? In fact my mugging was the exact moment when my state issued liberal brainwashing was instantaneously evaporated. So when I hear people like you talk, I already know that you are fortunate and well off enough to not be exposed that degree of a criminal element.

The one that introduced the polygamists into the discussion was you, not me. I was merely pointing out that they are a tremendous upgrade as neighbors. Many of your Californians seem to agree, hence the reason that they moved here instead of the "bad" part of Oakland.

Lol that you are still trying to use the "underage marriage" scare tactic. While I am sure that every little girls dream is to wear a long-sleeved pastel prairie dress over top of a union suit in the blazing hot desert sun, I will gladly chalk it up as the non-issue that it is. Again, I don't even have any underage daughters, but I do appreciate your faux concern for them.