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Title: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Mdot21 on February 22, 2021, 12:54:42 PM
PLEASE pass lol. 

Give us all your ‘croots!

https://twitter.com/DanMurphyESPN/status/1363855471568953345?s=20
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 22, 2021, 01:01:58 PM
Natural selection in action.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Mdot21 on February 22, 2021, 01:06:12 PM
Natural selection in action.
USC is hanging on by a thread. I don’t know how this bill would apply to public vs private but if this bill passed and SC had to follow suite it would be the nail in the coffin for them.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 22, 2021, 01:08:57 PM
So who are the top expansion candidates for the PAC 8?
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: longhorn320 on February 22, 2021, 01:09:36 PM
USC is hanging on by a thread. I don’t know how this bill would apply to public vs private but if this bill passed and SC had to follow suite it would be the nail in the coffin for them.
Can universities relocate?
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 22, 2021, 01:14:38 PM
The people who run most of those schools don't care.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Cincydawg on February 22, 2021, 01:34:01 PM
Often, proposed bills are PR gimmicks with no chance of passage.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: MrNubbz on February 22, 2021, 01:39:37 PM
Until they do
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 22, 2021, 02:14:10 PM
Often, proposed bills are PR gimmicks with no chance of passage.
Yep. College sports... EVEN in California, are still big business. Some state legislature writes am outrageous bill to get their name in the newspaper, because all publicity is good publicity, right?

Then it gets killed before even getting out of committee and everyone moves on.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Cincydawg on February 22, 2021, 02:21:07 PM
I read recently how many legislative bills are proposed each year in the House of Reps and how many actually pass.  The ratio is nearly 100:1 if memory serves.

So, folks get excited about some new "gun law" or whatever that was proposed merely for PR by that member.  I know Cruz introduces each year a term limits proposed amendment that goes nowhere.  It's a stunt.

Then there are myriad "resolutions" which mean nothing.  They may rename a post office.

Fortunately, "they" usually "do" rather little, not always, but often.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 22, 2021, 02:37:38 PM
I agree with the last thing on the list, but the other 3 are nuts.  
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 22, 2021, 03:24:26 PM
The people who run most of those schools don't care.
... Should they?

I mean, I love college sports. But it's mostly a massive marketing arm, which is nice to have, but probably also adds considerably to the bloat of post-secondary education we have in this country. If a school wanted to move toward being more of a school and less of brand, I don't know what the great argument against it is.

(The language reads broad in the bill, which suggests it's just PR fluff. Private schools would sue, at least one would, and it would be a whole damn thing)
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 22, 2021, 03:27:37 PM
Until they do
And even then, it's a multi-part saga.

My state just passed a bill over one of the most basic contentious issues. It immediately gets blocked by the courts, as it goes against supreme court precedent. Then my state gets to drop several mil to appeal it up to the Supreme Court, where if has been slapped back to this point, though that might change. Oh, and multiple states do this multiple times, hoping to be the one to get their name on a landmark reversal, if it happens. 

But man, folks get all the PR along the way. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 22, 2021, 10:38:29 PM
Pacific, Long Beach and Fullerton say hi.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 22, 2021, 10:44:25 PM
Ryan Benjamin, Pacific - look him up
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: MarqHusker on February 23, 2021, 12:20:19 AM
I remember eating at Misty's the night before a UoPacific at Nebraska game, the game Frazier suffered his blood clot injury.   We were hanging w some Pacific fans that made the trip.  Cool folks. My brother says the winner of Pacific v Nebraska will win the title.   He was right, both years.   Frazier played just nine plays leaving w a calf bruise.  I recall 49-0 halftime.  70-21. I think 16 guys had carries that game. The '95 game was 49-7 or something.   Pacific dropped football after that season. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Honestbuckeye on February 23, 2021, 06:22:32 AM
And even then, it's a multi-part saga.

My state just passed a bill over one of the most basic contentious issues. It immediately gets blocked by the courts, as it goes against supreme court precedent. Then my state gets to drop several mil to appeal it up to the Supreme Court, where if has been slapped back to this point, though that might change. Oh, and multiple states do this multiple times, hoping to be the one to get their name on a landmark reversal, if it happens.

But man, folks get all the PR along the way.
Soon, the Governor will learn the move- just sign an “Executive Order” and even the craziest and most unpopular ideas can come to life.  
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2021, 06:37:34 AM
... Should they?

I mean, I love college sports. But it's mostly a massive marketing arm, which is nice to have, but probably also adds considerably to the bloat of post-secondary education we have in this country. If a school wanted to move toward being more of a school and less of brand, I don't know what the great argument against it is.

(The language reads broad in the bill, which suggests it's just PR fluff. Private schools would sue, at least one would, and it would be a whole damn thing)
Donna Shalala thought so.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 08:39:26 AM
Can we give California to Mexico? Is that an option? 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2021, 08:39:57 AM
Put a call into Lex Luthor maybe.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: MrNubbz on February 23, 2021, 08:49:09 AM
... Should they?

I mean, I love college sports. But it's mostly a massive marketing arm, which is nice to have, but probably also adds considerably to the bloat of post-secondary education we have in this country. If a school wanted to move toward being more of a school and less of brand, I don't know what the great argument against it is.
C'mon you don't want the NFL digging into it's own pockets for a minor league do you?They could probably fire Roger Goodall and implement that this spring with the larceny that is his contract
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 09:38:11 AM
Can we give California to Mexico? Is that an option?
No, but if it was, you could get many more Californian neighbors. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2021, 09:44:46 AM
That's already happening, no?
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 09:49:25 AM

Donna Shalala thought so.
She did. And she had vision for the place she was at. 

But to a degree, it's a zero-sum game, and some places are never gonna get that sum. I grew up a stone's throw from UC Berkeley. I love that place as a part of my upbringing. But even if Cal becomes a power as great as old USC or Oregon, it likely isn't gonna be a Wisconsin in terms of regional focus. And the issue is Cal loading up on spending just spurs more spending at USC and Oregon (thus, our endless arms race to hold onto a status quo). 

Then there's the larger question of if building eight-figure buildings to impress children is all that useful. Let's put it another way, Big Jim always threatened that if the money got too big, he'd want to go like the Ivys. Well, this would push one set of schools more like the Ivys. 

(I'm not saying it's good or bad or would or wouldn't happen, but that the argument for "we need to keep up this system that has coaches as the highest paid public employees in states" seems rather thin)
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 09:50:41 AM
That's already happening, no?
I was under the impression it was some more. But such a move would increate the rate many fold.

Externalities, man. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 09:53:39 AM
Most are retirees who are well past procreation age, so at least they aren't polluting the local gene pool.

They are coming here to die.   
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 09:54:52 AM
Soon, the Governor will learn the move- just sign an “Executive Order” and even the craziest and most unpopular ideas can come to life. 
Ehh, it's probably a net popular move. It sound good, accomplishes nothing except headlines (for now) and people don't realize the money that goes to that could go somewhere better (like schools or something). 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 09:55:47 AM
Most are retirees who are well past procreation age, so at least they aren't polluting the local gene pool.

They are coming here to die. 

Goals.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 09:59:05 AM
It kind of works out, in an odd sort of way. 

There's nearly 200k here, and it is all suburb with no ghetto. 

It isn't MS-13 moving in from California. It is the old affluent people that don't care to spend their golden years getting robbed at gunpoint. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: MrNubbz on February 23, 2021, 09:59:19 AM
Most are retirees who are well past procreation age, so at least they aren't polluting the local gene pool.

They are coming here to die. 

You're a sentimentalist,I'll give you that
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2021, 10:01:05 AM
I was under the impression it was some more. But such a move would increate the rate many fold.

Externalities, man.
Californians would have to get a Visa to go to Texas and Florida?

I'm up for that.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 10:08:29 AM
Californians would have to get a Visa to go to Texas and Florida?

I'm up for that.
All fun and games until the tax bill comes due.

(In actual seriousness, that would be bad. Highly bad)
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 10:09:27 AM
It kind of works out, in an odd sort of way.

There's nearly 200k here, and it is all suburb with no ghetto.

It isn't MS-13 moving in from California. It is the old affluent people that don't care to spend their golden years getting robbed at gunpoint.
You severely overestimate the number of rice people being robbed at gunpoint 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2021, 10:16:23 AM
All fun and games until the tax bill comes due.

(In actual seriousness, that would be bad. Highly bad)
I dunno. California is losing big companies at a fast rate. Florida is gaining. And so is Texas, even more so.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 10:18:34 AM



You severely overestimate the number of rice people being robbed at gunpoint



You severely underestimate the number of people who move here so that they don't get robbed at gunpoint. 



They aren't rich in California, but once they sell their shitty little dilapidated two bedroom ranch house for several million dollars...
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 10:23:05 AM
All fun and games until the tax bill comes due.

(In actual seriousness, that would be bad. Highly bad)


We are an industrious people. I think we can figure out how to get by without California. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 10:33:08 AM

We are an industrious people. I think we can figure out how to get by without California.
Might have to pay more for the privilege. 

In actuality, if the US were to turn out California, it would face choices. Do you make every Californian a foreigner? Do you find some way to hold onto all the valuable assets of the state, in part by extending citizenship to the wealthy you want to keep? Are those wealthy the same annoying folks you want to keep out? Et all.

The point is, most bashing of most states is adults playing pretend like children. Folks are folks. Places are places. There are many parts of whatever state you live in you wouldn't want to, and many parts of Ca. you'd be fine with (same with people). These state borders and how they shape politics are mostly imaginary. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 10:36:39 AM




You severely underestimate the number of people who move here so that they don't get robbed at gunpoint.



They aren't rich in California, but once they sell their shitty little dilapidated two bedroom ranch house for several million dollars...


So a lot of your neighbors have been robbed at gunpoint? 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 10:38:12 AM
I dunno. California is losing big companies at a fast rate. Florida is gaining. And so is Texas, even more so.
Someday maybe the demand to live there will go down enough I could buy a house there. 

On the downside, I will not be able to buy a house in Austin. Where are they going in Florida? Miami? 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2021, 10:38:45 AM
So a lot of your neighbors have been robbed at gunpoint?

I've never been robbed at gunpoint, but that doesn't mean I'm going to Chicago to rock and roll all night.

Never again.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2021, 10:39:41 AM
Someday maybe the demand to live there will go down enough I could buy a house there.

On the downside, I will not be able to buy a house in Austin. Where are they going in Florida? Miami?
I've got 3 CA plates on my damn street. One of them just changed them out to FL.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 10:50:34 AM
I've never been robbed at gunpoint, but that doesn't mean I'm going to Chicago to rock and roll all night.

Never again.
Good, we agree you didn't leave Chicago because you were robbed at gunpoint.

You were robbed at tax time, and are now in a state with it's own mess of cliche problems. But at least you and many neighbors know, if you die there, it was all in the plan :)
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 10:52:53 AM
So a lot of your neighbors have been robbed at gunpoint?




Dorothy called. She wants her brainless straw man back.



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Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2021, 10:55:16 AM
Good, we agree you didn't leave Chicago because you were robbed at gunpoint.

You were robbed at tax time, and are now in a state with it's own mess of cliche problems. But at least you and many neighbors know, if you die there, it was all in the plan :)
Very happy to be here. I no longer have to worry about being robbed at gunpoint.

The governor up there just signed a law, eliminating cash bail. I'm not sure that's gonna help matters.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 10:55:59 AM
I've never been robbed at gunpoint, but that doesn't mean I'm going to Chicago to rock and roll all night.

Never again.


I have been robbed at gunpoint, and it isn't fun.

As such I cannot fault the aged Californians that moved here as a means of preemptively avoiding such a confrontation. 

That is one particular relocation motivation that they and I share in common. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 10:58:49 AM
Very happy to be here. I no longer have to worry about being robbed at gunpoint.

The governor up there just signed a law, eliminating cash bail. I'm not sure that's gonna help matters.
Were you actually worried before?

I mean, plenty of Floridians are robbed at gunpoint. Just depends where.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 10:59:38 AM


Dorothy called. She wants her brainless straw man back.



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The brainless straw man is the point you made? About something you said happened to you?

OK. Cool. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 11:01:16 AM
The brainless straw man is the point you made? About something you said happened to you?

OK. Cool.


No, I clearly said that they moved here so that they wouldn't be robbed at gunpoint. Not that they moved here after they had already been robbed at gunpoint, as was the case with myself specifically. 

Can you not read? 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 11:05:14 AM

No, I clearly said that they moved here so that they wouldn't be robbed at gunpoint. Not that they moved here after they had already been robbed at gunpoint, as was the case with myself specifically.

Can you not read?
I read the words you wrote. That's all. 

Where were you robbed? (This is not to make a point or anything, I'm actually just curious about the story)
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2021, 11:07:36 AM
Were you actually worried before?

I mean, plenty of Floridians are robbed at gunpoint. Just depends where.
Yes. The last time we were downtown, in River North, was very unsettling. 

Not here.

How about this one? And this is an alderman.


Alderman says he was attacked by two men outside downtown bar: ‘Out of nowhere this guy ran up on me.’ - Chicago Tribune (https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-chicago-alderman-attacked-outside-bar-20210222-jbcsuzqg2bai7ibomc4bsozzla-story.html)
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 11:12:20 AM
Yes. The last time we were downtown, in River North, was very unsettling.

Not here.

How about this one? And this is an alderman.


Alderman says he was attacked by two men outside downtown bar: ‘Out of nowhere this guy ran up on me.’ - Chicago Tribune (https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-chicago-alderman-attacked-outside-bar-20210222-jbcsuzqg2bai7ibomc4bsozzla-story.html)
Ahhh, I more meant at home. But yeah, out and about in cities.

Leaving dense cities will help there. There's sort of an irony that in all this round and round discussion, there are plenty of parts of Ca. or Illinois that are probably much safer than urban Chicago. State's are just so diverse in their construction. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: GopherRock on February 23, 2021, 11:12:44 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again: if the NCAA member schools won't fix it's model, someone else will, and the NCAA member schools aren't going to like how they fix it. 

As for California, the US needed California as it was (and, more specifically, the gold buried in the high Sierra) at the time of it's admission far more than it needed the US. A bigger question to ask is this: What if word of the gold discovery (found January 24, 1850) had gotten to Mexico City prior to the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (signed February 2, 1850)? Probably not much. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Mdot21 on February 23, 2021, 11:15:38 AM
Were you actually worried before?

I mean, plenty of Floridians are robbed at gunpoint. Just depends where.
Yeah sure, in the mostly black "hoods" of Miami or Fort Lauderdale. These are mostly small areas far away from Downtown or "monied" suburbs. But this is the same of any major cities in US. Detroit for example is just one giant shithole "hood" where you could get robbed almost anywhere in that cesspool armpit shithole.

South Florida is pretty much safe. There is stupid money in South Florida and an insane amount of police officers. Palm Beach island is probably the richest place anywhere in the country. A tiny little island called Fisher Island in Miami Beach has its own zip code and that zip code is the richest in the US. You can't even get to Fisher Island unless you take a ferry and Palm Beach is like a police colony- they patrol all over 24/7. 

Shithole California has 40%+ higher robbery rate per 100,000 people than Florida by the way... https://www.statista.com/statistics/232564/robbery-rate-in-the-us-by-state/
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Mdot21 on February 23, 2021, 11:20:16 AM
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Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2021, 11:21:13 AM
I dunno. California is losing big companies at a fast rate. Florida is gaining. And so is Texas, even more so.
There are a few high profile large companies that are moving their HQ from Silicon Valley to elsewhere, yes. 

That's their HQ. That doesn't mean they're selling off all their real estate and telling all their CA employees "move to TX or you're out of a job". Those companies will continue to retain large presences in Silicon Valley. 

You know why? Because that's where lots of good workers are, who don't all want to leave.  
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2021, 11:22:56 AM
Yeah, my step son wants to stay in SF.  He was hoping he would not get moved to Austin, TX, mostly because he doesn't know it.

He likes CA a lot, and he's a skier/snow boarder.

I thought skiing meant water skiing.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Mdot21 on February 23, 2021, 11:23:08 AM
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Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 11:25:48 AM
I read the words you wrote. That's all.

Where were you robbed? (This is not to make a point or anything, I'm actually just curious about the story)


Right in between my parking spot and my front door.


No the Hell you didn't read what I wrote. If you had, you wouldn't have deployed your brainless straw man. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2021, 11:26:25 AM
I've never been robbed at gunpoint, but that doesn't mean I'm going to Chicago to rock and roll all night.

Never again.
Bear in mind that this is a false analogy. The correct analogy would be "that doesn't mean I'm going to Illinois to rock and roll all night."

Illinois is a big place. The bulk of the state is rural where the risk of being robbed at gunpoint is low. The bulk of the Chicago metropolitan area is suburban, and in most of it the risk of being robbed at gunpoint is low. Heck, wide swaths inside Chicago city limits are nice enough that the risk of being robbed at gunpoint is low. 

There are parts of Illinois, where if I were walking around late at night, the risk of me being robbed at gunpoint (or worse) is very high. 

That doesn't mean you write off an entire state because there are some bad areas. I'll tell you that the risk of me being robbed at gunpoint in Mission Viejo, or hell most of Orange County, is very low. That might not be true if I were in Oakland.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2021, 11:30:01 AM

Right in between my parking spot and my front door.
Out of curiosity, what city/state was this in?
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 11:32:17 AM

Shithole California has 40%+ higher robbery rate per 100,000 people than Florida by the way... https://www.statista.com/statistics/232564/robbery-rate-in-the-us-by-state/
And yet, Florida has a 20% higher murder rate. Seems like a shithole I should really avoid. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 11:37:27 AM

Right in between my parking spot and my front door.


No the Hell you didn't read what I wrote. If you had, you wouldn't have deployed your brainless straw man.

I mean, I've been told 1 in 10 Americans, including my family and most of my friend from back home should be turned out as American citizens on this thread. And for reasons that mostly remain unclear. If we're mad at the "brainless strawman" of asking if your friends were actually robbed at gunpoint, we're building quite a mountain of brainlessness here. 

Listen. I lived in Ca for 20 or so years. I have a family in the state, lots of friends. I'm pretty sure I don't know anyone who has been robbed at gunpoint. Your retired friends and I must run in different circles, I guess. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 11:40:26 AM
Bear in mind that this is a false analogy. The correct analogy would be "that doesn't mean I'm going to Illinois to rock and roll all night."

Illinois is a big place. The bulk of the state is rural where the risk of being robbed at gunpoint is low. The bulk of the Chicago metropolitan area is suburban, and in most of it the risk of being robbed at gunpoint is low. Heck, wide swaths inside Chicago city limits are nice enough that the risk of being robbed at gunpoint is low.

There are parts of Illinois, where if I were walking around late at night, the risk of me being robbed at gunpoint (or worse) is very high.

That doesn't mean you write off an entire state because there are some bad areas. I'll tell you that the risk of me being robbed at gunpoint in Mission Viejo, or hell most of Orange County, is very low. That might not be true if I were in Oakland.
Oakland is like 25 percent to 33 percent highly safe too. Shoot, I grew up pretty close to there. I solve the problem by not walking around the sketchy parts. Fortunately, there wasn't much I had to do in those parts anyway. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 11:41:50 AM
bayarea, got this t-shirt for you...

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Like a good Floridian, I'm sure you had your morning bath salts. Now you an go commit wacky crimes whose headlines can entertain me. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 11:48:09 AM
I mean, I've been told 1 in 10 Americans, including my family and most of my friend from back home should be turned out as American citizens on this thread. And for reasons that mostly remain unclear. If we're mad at the "brainless strawman" of asking if your friends were actually robbed at gunpoint, we're building quite a mountain of brainlessness here.

Listen. I lived in Ca for 20 or so years. I have a family in the state, lots of friends. I'm pretty sure I don't know anyone who has been robbed at gunpoint. Your retired friends and I must run in different circles, I guess.


Well I am glad that you could afford to live in some safe little bubble with low crime rates. That's awesome. 

I don't give a crap about Californians like you though, my empathy is solely for those law abiding citizens who have to live among their criminal element, while people like you wag your finger at them from atop your ivory towers in your gated communities and call them "Xenophobes" or whatever buzz word is en vogues among the White liberal elite these days. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Mdot21 on February 23, 2021, 11:54:44 AM
Like a good Floridian, I'm sure you had your morning bath salts. Now you an go commit wacky crimes whose headlines can entertain me.
I'm originally from Michigan, so the Florida Man headlines and bath salts don't apply to me. I feel ya though. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2021, 11:54:59 AM
Bear in mind that this is a false analogy. The correct analogy would be "that doesn't mean I'm going to Illinois to rock and roll all night."

Illinois is a big place. The bulk of the state is rural where the risk of being robbed at gunpoint is low. The bulk of the Chicago metropolitan area is suburban, and in most of it the risk of being robbed at gunpoint is low. Heck, wide swaths inside Chicago city limits are nice enough that the risk of being robbed at gunpoint is low.

There are parts of Illinois, where if I were walking around late at night, the risk of me being robbed at gunpoint (or worse) is very high.

That doesn't mean you write off an entire state because there are some bad areas. I'll tell you that the risk of me being robbed at gunpoint in Mission Viejo, or hell most of Orange County, is very low. That might not be true if I were in Oakland.
The problem is "they" are now brazen/enabled enough to come out to the suburbs and commit crimes. I saw it starting.

Nothing used to happen downtown either. And then it did.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Mdot21 on February 23, 2021, 12:03:00 PM
And yet, Florida has a 20% higher murder rate. Seems like a shithole I should really avoid.
Yeah, you really should avoid it. Especially the beaches with the warm water and topless women in g-string bikinis in Miami....I forgot- Californians don't like that- them people like the dong.

Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 12:10:14 PM
Out of curiosity, what city/state was this in?
Good ole columbus ohio. About a block south of Worthington, which is an affluent suburb. 

It wasn't in one of the "bad parts" per se. But there was a small patch of section 8 housing nearby. 

Nothing like getting mugged by a couple of fine young democrats that you already subsidize with your tax dollars. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: longhorn320 on February 23, 2021, 12:12:32 PM
as a proud Texan Im just happy we dont have a dog in this fight
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 12:12:54 PM
The bulk of the Chicago metropolitan area is suburban, and in most of it the risk of being robbed at gunpoint is low. Heck, wide swaths inside Chicago city limits are nice enough that the risk of being robbed at gunpoint is low.




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Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 12:28:58 PM
I'm originally from Michigan, so the Florida Man headlines and bath salts don't apply to me. I feel ya though.
See you left a shit hole for a better bath salts and more creative crimes? Would not be my path, but we live in a beautiful country that allows mobility on all fronts.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on February 23, 2021, 12:30:13 PM
Good ole columbus ohio. About a block south of Worthington, which is an affluent suburb.

It wasn't in one of the "bad parts" per se. But there was a small patch of section 8 housing nearby.

Nothing like getting mugged by a couple of fine young democrats that you already subsidize with your tax dollars.
Off of High Street? I used to live on Highfield Dr, about 3 or 4 blocks south of Worthington. It was a nice neighborhood until they built the low income apartments at the end of Broadmedows drive. It didn't take long before crime in the area went from practically nothing to an every night occurrence. We moved shortly there after. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2021, 12:36:54 PM
Good ole columbus ohio. About a block south of Worthington, which is an affluent suburb.

It wasn't in one of the "bad parts" per se. But there was a small patch of section 8 housing nearby.

Nothing like getting mugged by a couple of fine young democrats that you already subsidize with your tax dollars.
Off of High Street? I used to live on Highfield Dr, about 3 or 4 blocks south of Worthington. It was a nice neighborhood until they built the low income apartments at the end of Broadmedows drive. It didn't take long before crime in the area went from practically nothing to an every night occurrence. We moved shortly there after.
And yet I've never heard anyone claim that people are wantonly fleeing Ohio as a whole, or even Columbus in particular, because they're "afraid of being robbed at gunpoint."

Yet apparently this is such a common occurrence in California that it comes up in conversation as a reason to move? 

Shit, my wife grew up in Long Beach and went to the same high school as Snoop Dogg (not at the same time obv), and I've never heard her complain that she was afraid of being robbed at gunpoint living there. Long Beach has a reputation, but a lot of it is pretty damn posh.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: MaximumSam on February 23, 2021, 12:38:11 PM
Shit holes everywhere man. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2021, 12:39:01 PM
My other SIL lives in Belmont Shore. Really nice place.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 12:40:27 PM
Off of High Street? I used to live on Highfield Dr, about 3 or 4 blocks south of Worthington. It was a nice neighborhood until they built the low income apartments at the end of Broadmedows drive. It didn't take long before crime in the area went from practically nothing to an every night occurrence. We moved shortly there after.


Precisely. Right by good ole Broadghettos. One bad street on the border of two low crime areas is all that it took to turn the entire place into a nightmarish shit hole. 

The police didn't even pretend to give a shit. They just came out, cracked a couple jokes, and recommended that I move to a nicer part of town. In fact they headed in the exact opposite direction as the perps, when they left. 

Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 12:45:46 PM

Well I am glad that you could afford to live in some safe little bubble with low crime rates. That's awesome.

I don't give a crap about Californians like you though, my empathy is solely for those law abiding citizens who have to live among their criminal element, while people like you wag your finger at them from atop your ivory towers in your gated communities and call them "Xenophobes" or whatever buzz word is en vogues among the White liberal elite these days.
And here I thought strawmen were bad.

What you were describing is a pretend version of California. It just is. I’m sorry to tell you this.

I grew up in the middle of town. On a busy street. One whole town over from Oakland. Things are pretty fine. I didn’t live in a bubble. I didn’t even really live in a suburb. But please, continue wagging your finger from your expensive retirement community. And in a State famous for polygamy and child brides. Maybe that’s the appeal that is bringing out of staters in.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 12:54:36 PM
And yet I've never heard anyone claim that people are wantonly fleeing Ohio as a whole, or even Columbus in particular, because they're "afraid of being robbed at gunpoint."

.



I literally just got done saying that this is one of the primary reasons that I am glad to no longer live in Columbus Ohio. 

Have I entered the Twilight Zone? 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 12:57:00 PM
But please, continue wagging your finger from your expensive retirement community. And in a State famous for polygamy and child brides. Maybe that’s the appeal that is bringing out of staters in.


Yeah, there are a lot of Polygamists here. They make for pretty wonderful neighbors actually, particularly in comparison to the type of people who reside in Section 8. 

Instead of mugging you at gunpoint, they will bake you a loaf of bread and bring it over to your house. Pretty pleasant change of pace, actually. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: MaximumSam on February 23, 2021, 12:59:54 PM
I too have survived the mean streets of Columbus Ohio.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 01:02:28 PM
Westerville is not Columbus. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: MaximumSam on February 23, 2021, 01:05:59 PM
Neither is Worthington
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2021, 01:08:25 PM
Looked this up and sorted based on robbery rate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

It looks like the population number cutoff to be included as a city is right around 215K people. 

Among that size and larger, the lowest rate of robbery of any city in the US is--drum roll, please: 

Irvine, CA

Also lowest in the nation for violent crime in general.

And this isn't some "ivory tower"... Irvine is in Orange County which has a collective population of over 3M people, and Orange County has the 4th-lowest violent crime rate per 100K population in the entire state of 58 counties. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 01:09:00 PM
Neither is Worthington
What part of "south of Worthington" are you having trouble understanding? I have also had the misfortune of living south of Westerville, which is an even bigger shit hole. 

You are no doubt making it better though as a Pubic Defender. I'm sure that there are countless muggers, murderers, rapists, pedophiles, meth cookers, pimps and various other low lifes who are out on the streets instead of in jail where they belong, due to your tireless efforts as a professional scumbag apologist. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: MaximumSam on February 23, 2021, 01:14:26 PM
What part of "south of Worthington" are you having trouble understanding? I have also had the misfortune of living south of Westerville, which is an even bigger shit hole.

You are no doubt making it better though as a Pubic Defender. I'm sure that there are countless muggers, murderers, rapists, pedophiles, meth cookers, pimps and various other low lifes who are out on the streets instead of in jail where they belong, due to your tireless efforts as a professional scumbag apologist.
I thought about fleeing to another state so I could wax poetic about the people who stayed. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: utee94 on February 23, 2021, 01:20:42 PM
Looked this up and sorted based on robbery rate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

It looks like the population number cutoff to be included as a city is right around 215K people.

Among that size and larger, the lowest rate of robbery of any city in the US is--drum roll, please:

Irvine, CA

Also lowest in the nation for violent crime in general.

And this isn't some "ivory tower"... Irvine is in Orange County which has a collective population of over 3M people, and Orange County has the 4th-lowest violent crime rate per 100K population in the entire state of 58 counties.

All you folks in Orange Co. are already so rich, no need for crime.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: MrNubbz on February 23, 2021, 01:32:17 PM
They're trying to keep up with Washington DC & Wall ST
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2021, 01:33:01 PM
I thought about fleeing to another state so I could wax poetic about the people who stayed.
Come on down. I'll show you around.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 01:38:59 PM
I thought about fleeing to another state so I could wax poetic about the people who stayed.
Look man, I'm glad that you like it. Great place for your line of work with all the crime going on, and it obviously pays well enough that you don't hav to live among your clientele. Good for you.

My empathy is and always will be with the law abiding citizens that do have to live among your clientele, as I have walked a mile in those shoes. You can make fun of me for "fleeing to another state" until you are blue on the face, I have no regrets. Instead of my life being an endless game of Russian Roulette where I can't even walk from my car to my front door without having to be on high alert, I get to live in the greatest place on Earth. I am completely surrounded by National Parks, with big skies and warm weather and clean air. Y'all can have Columbus, I'm good. No desire to ever even see the place again. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: utee94 on February 23, 2021, 01:41:21 PM
Come on down. I'll show you around.
Yes, everyone should definitely move in next door to badge
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2021, 01:44:17 PM
All of you are welcome here.

Talking policy and politics and stuff is great while drunk. Nobody remembers anything.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: MaximumSam on February 23, 2021, 01:51:13 PM
Come on down. I'll show you around.
Better be careful. When I get invited places, I show up!
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 02:18:56 PM

Yeah, there are a lot of Polygamists here. They make for pretty wonderful neighbors actually, particularly in comparison to the type of people who reside in Section 8.

Instead of mugging you at gunpoint, they will bake you a loaf of bread and bring it over to your house. Pretty pleasant change of pace, actually.
Just don’t answer too many questions about your underage daughters to them. At least they’re a reminder that criminals can also be nice.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 02:30:37 PM
Very happy to be here. I no longer have to worry about being robbed at gunpoint.

The governor up there just signed a law, eliminating cash bail. I'm not sure that's gonna help matters.
This is an an interesting case. Cash bail often is a tool to allow the government to circumvent the idea of innocent until proven guilty. If you want to hold people who you think committed crimes, hold them and process them quickly. 

And if you think a person can exist out in the world, don't waste tons of all our money to hold them because they lack $1,500 liquid cash. (I was listening to something on those post-prison fees, a good way to create more desperate people, which in turn is not a net good)
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 02:44:46 PM
Just don’t answer too many questions about your underage daughters to them. At least they’re a reminder that criminals can also be nice.
See I get a kick out of this. You are defending a state that enthusiastically celebrates every sexual oddity under the Sun except polygamy.

Again, if I have to choose between a group of people who are trapped in the 19th century vs pimps who kidnap underage girls and force them into a life of street prostitution... well, the choice is obvious.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: longhorn320 on February 23, 2021, 02:53:05 PM
I have no problem with eliminating the cash bail as long as its not a catch and release situation

if these folks fail to appear in court then the state needs to treat them as criminals put them in jail and no bail allowed
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2021, 03:01:11 PM
I have no problem with eliminating the cash bail as long as its not a catch and release situation

if these folks fail to appear in court then the state needs to treat them as criminals put them in jail and no bail allowed
It is.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 03:02:18 PM
I have no problem with eliminating the cash bail as long as its not a catch and release situation

if these folks fail to appear in court then the state needs to treat them as criminals put them in jail and no bail allowed
I agree with this. I also don't think that if there is a good reason to lock someone up, do it, and find a way to get them a speedy trial. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 03:15:06 PM
See I get a kick out of this. You are defending a state that enthusiastically celebrates every sexual oddity under the Sun except polygamy.

Again, if I have to choose between a group of people who are trapped in the 19th century vs pimps who kidnap underage girls and force them into a life of street prostitution... well, the choice is obvious.
So here's the thing BB, I don't actually think Utah is full of folks marrying 15 year olds, even if those people are letter of the law criminals. That's an exaggeration. 

But the problem is, we seem to only be talking in exaggerations, so it's hard to take anything seriously. You seem to imagine California to be some kind of urban hellscape dotted by well-protected gated communities. And it is not. By and large, it doesn't celebrate many sexual oddities at all. Some weird people do, but some of your weird neighbors have no problem wedding young girls to old men. And you've found a way to forgive them that, and even defend it. 

California is just a big place. Outside the fact that some parts are extra expensive and have some of the problems of dense cities in big urban areas, it's pretty similar to a lot of places. Huge swaths of the 163,696 square miles would suit many of your political and cultural tastes. It's just an arbitrary set of lines and an arbitrary name. 

(Also, you don't have to chose between pimps and other folks who break the law. I'd chose neither. Having to chose at all is a mighty straw man. In 20-plus years, never dealt with a pimp in the Golden State. Closest brush would probably be my dad listening to an old mechanic complain his rent went up when the adult hookers were cleared out of some industrial town)
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 03:32:39 PM
So here's the thing BB, I don't actually think Utah is full of folks marrying 15 year olds, even if those people are letter of the law criminals. That's an exaggeration.

But the problem is, we seem to only be talking in exaggerations, so it's hard to take anything seriously. You seem to imagine California to be some kind of urban hellscape dotted by well-protected gated communities. And it is not. By and large, it doesn't celebrate many sexual oddities at all. Some weird people do, but some of your weird neighbors have no problem wedding young girls to old men. And you've found a way to forgive them that, and even defend it.

California is just a big place. Outside the fact that some parts are extra expensive and have some of the problems of dense cities in big urban areas, it's pretty similar to a lot of places. Huge swaths of the 163,696 square miles would suit many of your political and cultural tastes. It's just an arbitrary set of lines and an arbitrary name.

(Also, you don't have to chose between pimps and other folks who break the law. I'd chose neither. Having to chose at all is a mighty straw man. In 20-plus years, never dealt with a pimp in the Golden State. Closest brush would probably be my dad listening to an old mechanic complain his rent went up when the adult hookers were cleared out of some industrial town)
Oh I'm not defending it, I am just comparing them as neighbors instead of pimps and muggers. Quite an upgrade. Ftr, I don't have any underage daughters. So you aren't going to get much milage out of that particular scare tactic. If I did though, I'd much rather take my chances with the Plygs instead of the pimps. At least then they might be treated as members of their family instead of a product to sell on the street for profit until they die of an OD or STD. Pretty easy choice, really. You are right though, they don't all marry underage girls. It was about a dozen men at the top of their church who were taking advantage of their position. They were all prosecuted and did their time, unlike my muggers. The worst offender was Warren Jeff's, who is serving life plus 20. Jeff's was born in California, btw.


Here are the people that bab thinks should concern me more than armed muggers. Mormon Mennonites, more or less.

(https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/rs-227471-R1255_FEA_Polygamy_E.jpg)
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 23, 2021, 04:20:51 PM
I'd rather deal with an atheist mugger than someone so indoctrinated as that, above.  But that's just me.


If you want to find some that may still practice polygamy, check out Colorado City - on the AZ-UT border.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 04:32:26 PM
I wish that all White liberal elitists were just as scared of these people as the two of you, lol. Then we wouldn't have a bunch of displaced Californians moving in.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 05:01:41 PM
Oh I'm not defending it, I am just comparing them as neighbors instead of pimps and muggers. Quite an upgrade. Ftr, I don't have any underage daughters. So you aren't going to get much milage out of that particular scare tactic. If I did though, I'd much rather take my chances with the Plygs instead of the pimps. At least then they might be treated as members of their family instead of a product to sell on the street for profit until they die of an OD or STD. Pretty easy choice, really. You are right though, they don't all marry underage girls. It was about a dozen men at the top of their church who were taking advantage of their position. They were all prosecuted and did their time, unlike my muggers. The worst offender was Warren Jeff's, who is serving life plus 20. Jeff's was born in California, btw.


Here are the people that bab thinks should concern me more than armed muggers. Mormon Mennonites, more or less.

(https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/rs-227471-R1255_FEA_Polygamy_E.jpg)

Hmmm, I didn't think we'd get here. We've gone so far with this straw man, you're close to standing up for the men who groom and sleep with girls like those in the photo? Because they're at least better than pimps, who most folks in the state of California never deal with? Odd. 

Anyway, alas, not much chance I'd move out to your neck of the woods anytime soon. Still an employed person, and since I don't work in the airline or healthcare field, don't think I'd want to take the paycut. Too young to retire. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: MrNubbz on February 23, 2021, 05:09:24 PM
I'd rather deal with an atheist mugger than someone so indoctrinated as that, above.  But that's just me.
God forbid they would have you attend a worship service than have a knife to your neck.I hope you get your wish
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2021, 05:11:35 PM
Strange argument. Because some bad things happen in some places in California, it's now extrapolated that everyone everywhere in California, all 40M of us, should live in constant fear of armed muggings and their daughters being stolen by pimps and pressed into prostitution.

But on one thing we agree, Brutus... If California was anything like your mental picture of California, nobody should live here. What a terrible existence that would be!
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 05:13:25 PM
Hmmm, I didn't think we'd get here. We've gone so far with this straw man, you're close to standing up for the men who groom and sleep with girls like those in the photo? Because they're at least better than pimps, who most folks in the state of California never deal with? Odd.

Anyway, alas, not much chance I'd move out to your neck of the woods anytime soon. Still an employed person, and since I don't work in the airline or healthcare field, don't think I'd want to take the paycut. Too young to retire.

Oh darn, I don't know what I'll do without you living here. Insert Austin Texas joke. 

I already said I'm not defending them, I am simply comparing these neighbors to my previous neighbors. I also didn't say that most Californians have to deal with pimps on a regular basis. If they did, then they wouldn't be democrats. What did you say about straw men? In fact my mugging was the exact moment when my state issued liberal brainwashing was instantaneously evaporated. So when I hear people like you talk, I already know that you are fortunate and well off enough to not be exposed that degree of a criminal element. 

The one that introduced the polygamists into the discussion was you, not me. I was merely pointing out that they are a tremendous upgrade as neighbors. Many of your Californians seem to agree, hence the reason that they moved here instead of the "bad" part of Oakland. 

Lol that you are still trying to use the "underage marriage" scare tactic. While I am sure that every little girls dream is to wear a long-sleeved pastel prairie dress over top of a union suit in the blazing hot desert sun, I will gladly chalk it up as the non-issue that it is. Again, I don't even have any underage daughters, but I do appreciate your faux concern for them. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 05:16:32 PM
Strange argument. Because some bad things happen in some places in California, it's now extrapolated that everyone everywhere in California, all 40M of us, should live in constant fear of armed muggings and their daughters being stolen by pimps and pressed into prostitution.

But on one thing we agree, Brutus... If California was anything like your mental picture of California, nobody should live here. What a terrible existence that would be!


You seem to be skimming my post instead of reading them. Not sure how else you would take my experiences living in Columbus, and reach the conclusion that I am prescribing those experiences to all 40 million Californians. This is just getting bizarre. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 05:24:06 PM
Oh darn, I don't know what I'll do without you living here. Insert Austin Texas joke.

I already said I'm not defending them, I am simply comparing these neighbors to my previous neighbors. I also didn't say that most Californians have to deal with pimps on a regular basis. If they did, then they wouldn't be democrats. What did you say about straw men? In fact my mugging was the exact moment when my state issued liberal brainwashing was instantaneously evaporated. So when I hear people like you talk, I already know that you are fortunate and well off enough to not be exposed that degree of a criminal element.

The one that introduced the polygamists into the discussion was you, not me. I was merely pointing out that they are a tremendous upgrade as neighbors. Many of your Californians seem to agree, hence the reason that they moved here instead of the "bad" part of Oakland.

Lol that you are still trying to use the "underage marriage" scare tactic. While I am sure that every little girls dream is to wear a long-sleeved pastel prairie dress over top of a union suit in the blazing hot desert sun, I will gladly chalk it up as the non-issue that it is. Again, I don't even have any underage daughters, but I do appreciate your faux concern for them.
Seems like a lot of Californians are that fortunate. Millions and millions of them. Must be a pretty OK state. 

Anyway, sorry you lived in a crappy part of town in Columbus. Happy you upgraded. And good for the folks who left my neck of the woods to live in a retirement community (the boom in demand to live in Ca allowed them to get a bigger home, maybe next to a golf course, and that's just peachy). Some of the neighbors are letter of the law criminals, but not the kind that bother you. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 05:35:19 PM
Seems like a lot of Californians are that fortunate. Millions and millions of them. Must be a pretty OK state.

Anyway, sorry you lived in a crappy part of town in Columbus. Happy you upgraded. And good for the folks who left my neck of the woods to live in a retirement community (the boom in demand to live in Ca allowed them to get a bigger home, maybe next to a golf course, and that's just peachy). Some of the neighbors are letter of the law criminals, but not the kind that bother you. Enjoy!


Will do. 

Sorry to disappoint you that I won't grab a pitchfork and join the lynch mob against my new neighbors, who are a tremendous upgrade over my old neighbors by every conceivable metric. 

If you want to see what real discrimination looks like, you can study them. Their opposition is bipartisan. They don't get to root for Trump to win or for Biden to win, because they are going to be completely screwed either way. Quite unlike my muggers, who cry discrimination even though they have the most powerful political party in the Nation at their beck and call. 

Humans haven't evolved beyond discrimination, they simply aim it towards easy targets where there won't be any backlash from the PC/SJW crowd. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: MaximumSam on February 23, 2021, 05:40:03 PM
I had to brave the mean streets of Columbus just today.  It actually thawed out today, and the combo of getting above 40 degrees for the first time and the sun shining was just euphoric.  I'm sure my wife will eventually drag me somewhere warm where I can live out my days with swamp ass, but those changes in weather really make me happy.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2021, 05:40:53 PM
Swamp ass. Sounds shitty.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2021, 05:44:24 PM

You seem to be skimming my post instead of reading them. Not sure how else you would take my experiences living in Columbus, and reach the conclusion that I am prescribing those experiences to all 40 million Californians. This is just getting bizarre.
The initial statement was that people were leaving California because they were scared of being robbed at gunpoint. 

There are a lot of reasons to leave California. That seems like an oddly specific one, and one that I've never heard before. 

Utah has a violent crime rate of 2.36 per 1,000 residents. The national median is 4. California has a violent crime rate of 4.41 per 1,000 residents. 

So admittedly, Californians are at a higher risk of violent crime than residents of Utah. 

But California isn't a homogeneous place. It's a huge state of 40M people. 

Orange County, where I live, has almost the same number of people as the entire state of Utah, and it has a violent crime rate of 2.0 per 1,000 residents--LOWER than Utah. 

Maybe folks in Utah should move to Irvine where it's safe :72:

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What this really boils down to is one thing... In this thread and elsewhere on this board, we're constantly told that California is a shithole, that it is a failed state, that it's dying, that all businesses are fleeing as fast as they can, and now that California is overrun by armed muggers who will steal our money right before pimps drag our daughters off for sex trafficking, but they're going to take a dump in the street first. 

And then I look outside my window... And I talk to other Californians... And it turns out the sky ISN'T falling. 

Yet California just keeps getting blasted as a dystopian nightmare over and over and over, and when me or BAB argue that it's not really warranted because much of the state is pretty nice [albeit expensive af], we keep hearing the same litany of reasons why apparently what's right in front of our eyes is wrong and California is one step down from Haiti.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: MaximumSam on February 23, 2021, 05:48:08 PM
Swamp ass. Sounds shitty.
Ha! Maybe the shithole is just wherever I'm at that day.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2021, 05:48:39 PM
To be fair, Brutus... Where you live sounds pretty nice. Good for you. 

I worked with a Californian Mormon who left here to retire up there in St George and play golf all day about 8 years ago... I'm sure he's having a blast too.

Maybe I'll retire there someday. Unfortunately, retirement is a couple decades away for me.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2021, 06:09:46 PM
I used to spend a couple weeks a year preCOVID in SF and thereabouts.  It's really obvious how a video camera can depict SF as a complete mess, show the Tenderloin district and shoot syringes and human waste on the side walk.

But, if you walk around MOST of the city, which we have done, it's generally nice, a lot of blowing litter but it's windy.

The media generally start with a story and then edit their video to show the story, rarely do they present a balanced depiction, because that would be BORING.

It is very very easy to show video that IMPLIES the whole city is like this, but it simply isn't.  The same is true when they show riots, down the street might be quiet, but they don't show that.

You think the whole city is rioting.

If it bleeds ...
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 06:14:18 PM
To be fair, Brutus... Where you live sounds pretty nice. Good for you.

I worked with a Californian Mormon who left here to retire up there in St George and play golf all day about 8 years ago... I'm sure he's having a blast too.

Maybe I'll retire there someday. Unfortunately, retirement is a couple decades away for me.


Right on. 

I cannot fault you for defending the place that you live. Hell, I defended Columbus for a long time, for no other reason that I was living there and desired to make the best of it. I knew that it sucked, but I was stuck there. So I might as well make it work. 

Most folks who relocate from Cali are older folks obviously, and they all say the same vague sentiments; that's it no longer is the same California that they grew up in. I have no idea. I've only been there once, and it was San Diego. 

Is it true that they stop you at the border on I-15, in order to make sure that you aren't brining in any out of state vegetables? Someone told me so, and I believe that they are completely FoS. But if so, man.... that's just nuts. Like crossing the Canadian border. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2021, 06:36:23 PM
I used to spend a couple weeks a year preCOVID in SF and thereabouts.  It's really obvious how a video camera can depict SF as a complete mess, show the Tenderloin district and shoot syringes and human waste on the side walk.

But, if you walk around MOST of the city, which we have done, it's generally nice, a lot of blowing litter but it's windy.

The media generally start with a story and then edit their video to show the story, rarely do they present a balanced depiction, because that would be BORING.

It is very very easy to show video that IMPLIES the whole city is like this, but it simply isn't.  The same is true when they show riots, down the street might be quiet, but they don't show that.

You think the whole city is rioting.

If it bleeds ...
Eh... It *is* legitimately more dirty than nearly any other city I recall. 

When I was there last with my wife--her first time in SF--she was a bit appalled. And we weren't in the Tenderloin... We were mostly in the Union Square, SoMa, Financial district areas, and a little in Chinatown. 

A couple highlights lowlights:


I really like SF. There are a lot of amazing things about it. But even outside the crazy parts, it's just a flat out dirty city.

Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 06:51:40 PM

Will do.

Sorry to disappoint you that I won't grab a pitchfork and join the lynch mob against my new neighbors, who are a tremendous upgrade over my old neighbors by every conceivable metric.

If you want to see what real discrimination looks like, you can study them. Their opposition is bipartisan. They don't get to root for Trump to win or for Biden to win, because they are going to be completely screwed either way. Quite unlike my muggers, who cry discrimination even though they have the most powerful political party in the Nation at their beck and call.

Humans haven't evolved beyond discrimination, they simply aim it towards easy targets where there won't be any backlash from the PC/SJW crowd.
Good point. Let's not discriminate. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2021, 06:59:10 PM

Right on.

I cannot fault you for defending the place that you live. Hell, I defended Columbus for a long time, for no other reason that I was living there and desired to make the best of it. I knew that it sucked, but I was stuck there. So I might as well make it work.

Most folks who relocate from Cali are older folks obviously, and they all say the same vague sentiments; that's it no longer is the same California that they grew up in. I have no idea. I've only been there once, and it was San Diego.

Is it true that they stop you at the border on I-15, in order to make sure that you aren't brining in any out of state vegetables? Someone told me so, and I believe that they are completely FoS. But if so, man.... that's just nuts. Like crossing the Canadian border.
The point I was trying to get across is that there are good places in bad places, and there are bad places in good places, if that makes sense.

Living in Columbus and living in Upper Arlington are two different experiences, and you can't tar Ohio--or even the Columbus metro--as if they're the same, right?

I'd argue that old people of ALL stripes complain about the place they live not being the same place they grew up in lol... I think that has more to do with age than anything else. 

As for the produce thing, that actually does happen. They don't stop everyone 100% of the time. Very rarely do I recall being stopped. But I've seen the agriculture inspection stations coming from Vegas on the 15, Reno on I-80, and from Oregon on the 5. The idea, I believe, is purely to keep invasive species out. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 07:10:16 PM
The point I was trying to get across is that there are good places in bad places, and there are bad places in good places, if that makes sense.

Living in Columbus and living in Upper Arlington are two different experiences, and you can't tar Ohio--or even the Columbus metro--as if they're the same, right?

I'd argue that old people of ALL stripes complain about the place they live not being the same place they grew up in lol... I think that has more to do with age than anything else.

As for the produce thing, that actually does happen. They don't stop everyone 100% of the time. Very rarely do I recall being stopped. But I've seen the agriculture inspection stations coming from Vegas on the 15, Reno on I-80, and from Oregon on the 5. The idea, I believe, is purely to keep invasive species out.

Interesting. I don’t think I’ve ever had an agricultural stop. I don’t know that I have more than 15-20 such a border crossings, but still interesting
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Mdot21 on February 23, 2021, 07:13:39 PM
I had to brave the mean streets of Columbus just today.  It actually thawed out today, and the combo of getting above 40 degrees for the first time and the sun shining was just euphoric.  I'm sure my wife will eventually drag me somewhere warm where I can live out my days with swamp ass, but those changes in weather really make me happy.
You get used to it. Air conditioning is your friend, and I always say- it's A LOT easier to just wear shorts and a t-shirt and sandals than it is to wear 3 layers of clothes, snow shoes, a giant coat, hat, gloves, a scarf, another hat, another pair of gloves, and another scarf. 

F#$K the cold. F##k the snow. F##k the ice. The north is literally a depressing shithole where the sky is literally grey and depressing 3/4ths of the year. Plus most places up there- there just isn't anything to do. Aside from like Chicago or New York there just isn't anything cool to do/see in that entire region. It sucks. Hate to say it but they call them flyover states for a reason. That reason: they suck.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 07:13:59 PM
The point I was trying to get across is that there are good places in bad places, and there are bad places in good places, if that makes sense.

Living in Columbus and living in Upper Arlington are two different experiences, and you can't tar Ohio--or even the Columbus metro--as if they're the same, right?



Yeah I know. I grew up in Dublin and Upper Arlington. That was a very different experience than living in Columbus proper. 

You aren't arguing against anything I said though. Sure, any city is awesome if you are well off and don't have to live among the criminal element. I don't believe I have suggested otherwise. 

I'm quite familiar with both sides of the coin. I was once like you before being transformed into this jaded monster that you see before you today, lol. 

Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 07:31:35 PM
Good point. Let's not discriminate.


You'll be delighted to know that your comparison of polygamists to urban gangstas isn't completely unfounded. 

Both groups have been known to break out into a mean game of street ball. 




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Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2021, 07:32:54 PM
F#$K the cold. F##k the snow. F##k the ice. The north is literally a depressing shithole where the sky is literally grey and depressing 3/4ths of the year. Plus most places up there- there just isn't anything to do. Aside from like Chicago or New York there just isn't anything cool to do/see in that entire region. It sucks. Hate to say it but they call them flyover states for a reason. That reason: they suck.
Dude, I can tell you're holding back. Why don't you tell us how you really feel? :57:


Yeah I know. I grew up in Dublin and Upper Arlington. That was a very different experience than living in Columbus proper.

You aren't arguing against anything I said though. Sure, any city is awesome if you are well off and don't have to live among the criminal element. I don't believe I have suggested otherwise.

I'm quite familiar with both sides of the coin. I was once like you before being transformed into this jaded monster that you see before you today, lol.
But the impression we get is that you were saying "California is dangerous" rather than "certain neighborhoods in certain parts of California are dangerous", which are two VERY different things. 

OF COURSE certain parts of California are dangerous, just as certain parts of Ohio are dangerous. I'll bet if you look at Utah, there are certain parts of the metro SLC area that are dangerous. 

And... Quite frankly, nowhere is "safe", even your little slice of heaven in Southern UT. For all you know, some serial killer might be planning your demise right now. To be fair, the ODDS are much lower where you live than elsewhere, but it's still not 100% safe. 

As Otter said, can you really blame an entire state for a few bad apples? I'm not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America, sir!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROxvT8KKdFw

Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Mdot21 on February 23, 2021, 07:40:11 PM
Why don't you tell us how you really feel? :57:
How I really feel? I feel like human beings are not meant to live in the freezing shitty cold.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 08:11:23 PM



But the impression we get is that you were saying "California is dangerous" rather than "certain neighborhoods in certain parts of California are dangerous", which are two VERY different things.

OF COURSE certain parts of California are dangerous, just as certain parts of Ohio are dangerous. I'll bet if you look at Utah, there are certain parts of the metro SLC area that are dangerous.

And... Quite frankly, nowhere is "safe", even your little slice of heaven in Southern UT. For all you know, some serial killer might be planning your demise right now. To be fair, the ODDS are much lower where you live than elsewhere, but it's still not 100% safe.

As Otter said, can you really blame an entire state for a few bad apples? I'm not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America, sir!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROxvT8KKdFw



Yeah, SLC is definitely a dump. That's where the bulk of those crime statistics most likely originate, along with Ogden and other regional cities. (No, not ALL of SLC is a dump.) It is also a bright blue island in a sea of red, so that doesn't help.

Most of the crime that goes on here in SW Utah is committed by people who are passing through on I-15. So they are quite likely Californians, although they might have only come from Vegas. O0

My aged Aunt lives in Central Utah, and her primary form of entertainment is to sit there and listen to the police scanner for hours on end. It is actually quite comical listening to what they have to waste their time doing, since there isn't any actual crime.

If someone got mugged there, they'd get to the bottom of it instead of being all like "well that sucks. Give us a call if it happens again. We won't actually do anything, but at least all your neighbors will brand you as a 'snitch' which will make you an even bigger target than you already are. Good luck."

Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: MaximumSam on February 23, 2021, 08:18:18 PM
You get used to it. Air conditioning is your friend, and I always say- it's A LOT easier to just wear shorts and a t-shirt and sandals than it is to wear 3 layers of clothes, snow shoes, a giant coat, hat, gloves, a scarf, another hat, another pair of gloves, and another scarf.

F#$K the cold. F##k the snow. F##k the ice. The north is literally a depressing shithole where the sky is literally grey and depressing 3/4ths of the year. Plus most places up there- there just isn't anything to do. Aside from like Chicago or New York there just isn't anything cool to do/see in that entire region. It sucks. Hate to say it but they call them flyover states for a reason. That reason: they suck.
I'm sure I would, but I mostly hate air conditioning, and on a day to day basis I'm not sure what anyone is doing that is all that different from anyone else.  Bradford in Cali is playing golf and cooking BBQ, and Badge in Florida is tooling on his boat and cooking spaghetti, and I hate golf and might get a boat, but any way you slice it there ain't much going on in one part of the country that you can't find somewhere else.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 08:27:39 PM

You'll be delighted to know that your comparison of polygamists to urban gangstas isn't completely unfounded.

Both groups have been known to break out into a mean game of street ball.




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I think I compared them in the sense that both situations were wild exaggerations of the actual facts on the ground. 

But anyway, no need to discriminate against our polygamist or urban brethren. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 08:29:01 PM
I'm sure I would, but I mostly hate air conditioning, and on a day to day basis I'm not sure what anyone is doing that is all that different from anyone else.  Bradford in Cali is playing golf and cooking BBQ, and Badge in Florida is tooling on his boat and cooking spaghetti, and I hate golf and might get a boat, but any way you slice it there ain't much going on in one part of the country that you can't find somewhere else.
AC is the best use of my money when it comes to actual satisfaction in my life. I say this with no reservations. Had a place with bad AC for a year, went to one with good AC, whooo boy. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: MaximumSam on February 23, 2021, 08:37:47 PM
AC is the best use of my money when it comes to actual satisfaction in my life. I say this with no reservations. Had a place with bad AC for a year, went to one with good AC, whooo boy.
Don't get me wrong, AC feels great when it's hot as hell outside. But it doesn't have much soul and I'm never quite far away from remembering my pleasure is being powered by a heat exchanger.  I'm happiest when the windows are open and you can feel the breeze through the house, and sitting on the porch is just sitting in another room in the house.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 08:42:03 PM
I think I compared them in the sense that both situations were wild exaggerations of the actual facts on the ground.

But anyway, no need to discriminate against our polygamist or urban brethren.

You can actually spend the night in the Warren Jeffs house, which is kind of insane.

No, I haven't done it.


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Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 08:46:48 PM
You can actually spend the night in the Warren Jeffs house, which is kind of insane.

No, I haven't done it.


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I wonder who owns it. I'd like to thing victims leveraging it for restitution, but who knows?
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 09:09:28 PM
I wonder who owns it. I'd like to thing victims leveraging it for restitution, but who knows?
Well it is a long story, and it's not very entertaining.

The gist of it is that his former body guard won it in a settlement, after starting up a rival sect.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 09:18:17 PM
Well it is a long story, and it's not very entertaining.

The gist of it is that his former body guard won it in a settlement, after starting up a rival sect.
Well that is less than ideal. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 09:30:57 PM
Well that is less than ideal.
Well his "victims" refused to participate in his prosecution, mostly because they didn't consider themselves to be "victims."

Like I said, it's a long story.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2021, 09:32:32 PM
Well his "victims" refused to participate in his prosecution, mostly because they didn't consider themselves to be "victims."

Like I said, it's a long story.
I was reading up on some of it. What a long story. 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 23, 2021, 10:18:15 PM
I was reading up on some of it. What a long story.

Yeah, when the government tries to bust one of these groups up all it does is cause them to splinter into smaller and smaller groups that each operate independently, making them much more difficult to track. At that point one "problem" all of a sudden becomes multiple "problems." 

There is really not much left of the original FLDS. Mostly just Warren Jeffs friends and family, and they are all hiding out in some compound up in South Dakota. The ones who are still here no longer have any affiliation with Jeffs or the FLDS. They either joined one of these other sects, or they went rogue. 

It is both endlessly fascinating, and mind numbingly boring, all at the same time. But they are mostly just a bunch of dumb potato farmers, not the cartoonish supervillains that they are portrayed as in the media.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 24, 2021, 01:07:55 AM
Yeah, when the government tries to bust one of these groups up all it does is cause them to splinter into smaller and smaller groups that each operate independently, making them much more difficult to track. At that point one "problem" all of a sudden becomes multiple "problems."

Hail Hydra
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Temp430 on February 24, 2021, 07:04:39 AM
USC and Stanford are private schools and I would think fairly immune from any state sponsored lunacy.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Cincydawg on February 24, 2021, 07:23:24 AM
Their greater issue in football could simply be lack of performance on the field, coupled with diminishing fan interest.  A lot of high level CA HS players are going elsewhere for obvious reasons.

Why play in front of 35,000 on a 9-4 team that could win the conference and nothing else?
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: MrNubbz on February 24, 2021, 07:49:32 AM
You get used to it. Air conditioning is your friend, and I always say- it's A LOT easier to just wear shorts and a t-shirt and sandals than it is to wear 3 layers of clothes, snow shoes, a giant coat, hat, gloves, a scarf, another hat, another pair of gloves, and another scarf.

F#$K the cold. F##k the snow. F##k the ice. The north is literally a depressing shithole where the sky is literally grey and depressing 3/4ths of the year. Plus most places up there- there just isn't anything to do. Aside from like Chicago or New York there just isn't anything cool to do/see in that entire region.
And actually no it isn't when it was below freezing the clouds disappear leaving the heat escape and sun bouncing off the snow.We were getting more vitamin D in hi February than you get in the middle of summer.It was quite cheerful,cold but nothing like the hell below

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Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Cincydawg on February 24, 2021, 08:00:21 AM
I like the weather here, with a few days a year that are unpleasant.  The wife likes heat and we go to the pool daily in summer.  Today looks to be perfect, sunny and 70°F later.  Yesterday was perfect also.  Everyone should move here.

Well, almost everyone is doing that it seems.  The city of ATL was losing population rapidly until about 2000.  The metro is adding about 75,000 per year and now the city itself is adding about 10,000 per year, on a much smaller base of about half a mil.

According to the Atlanta Regional Commission, the city of Atlanta added 10,100 new residents in that same time period. The city has grown 9% since 2010, reversing decades of population decline.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 24, 2021, 12:29:18 PM


Why play in front of 35,000 on a 9-4 team that could win the conference and nothing else?
I've been told here by more than one person that winning your conference and going to the RB is the pinnacle of the sport....
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Cincydawg on February 24, 2021, 12:32:53 PM
I see winning your conference as a big deal, not the pinnacle of course.  I do wonder if it would be better to win the NC as an at large or win the SEC and lose.

I guess the former.

But winning the SEC just means more of course.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: rolltidefan on February 24, 2021, 04:04:54 PM
I see winning your conference as a big deal, not the pinnacle of course.  I do wonder if it would be better to win the NC as an at large or win the SEC and lose.

I guess the former.

But winning the SEC just means more of course.
i remember 2017 more fondly than i do 2018, though neither compare to 2015, and none of those to 2020. 2016 is same as 2018, and 2019 is just the worst possible season ever. rough few years :).
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 24, 2021, 04:39:03 PM
i remember 2017 more fondly than i do 2018, though neither compare to 2015, and none of those to 2020. 2016 is same as 2018, and 2019 is just the worst possible season ever. rough few years :).
How was '94?
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: rolltidefan on February 25, 2021, 12:22:06 PM
How was '94?
just a couple points away from being perfect.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: ftbobs on February 25, 2021, 07:28:56 PM
It would be nice if programs across the country would put a cap on facilities.  The facility wars gobble up a ton of money and there seems no end to it.  I'm not sure how you could put that out on a national basis, but it would be a good idea.  The rest of it is nonsense.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Cincydawg on February 26, 2021, 04:17:30 PM
It would be nice if programs across the country would put a cap on facilities.  The facility wars gobble up a ton of money and there seems no end to it.  I'm not sure how you could put that out on a national basis, but it would be a good idea.  The rest of it is nonsense.
THE BOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: FearlessF on February 28, 2021, 10:49:54 PM
How was '94?
A very good year!
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2021, 05:34:22 AM
In 1994, I was still working of course, my kids were young, I think we had some nice vacations that year, I was starting to recover financially from the divorce.

Maybe it was 1995 before I was really on my feet again.  I had borrowed everything I could short of credit cards, and I was about to do that.  Then, I started getting child support payments.  ha.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: FearlessF on March 01, 2021, 10:45:32 AM
I guess 94 was a better season for the PAC than 2021

really, if the P5 would lose the PAC it wouldn't bother me that much

if the Arizona programs wanted to Join the Big 12, that would work

if the Washington Programs and Oregon wanted to join the Mountain West or whatever they want to call it, OK
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 01, 2021, 10:55:53 AM
The PAC is more like the Ivy League than the MWC, no?  
At least the CA schools are.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 01, 2021, 11:01:10 AM
The PAC is more like the Ivy League than the MWC, no? 
At least the CA schools are.
There are some very good schools in the PAC.


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Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2021, 12:00:15 PM
My EU friends find it shocking and somewhat horrifying that US universities have these massive sports programs.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 01, 2021, 12:15:27 PM

They'd probably just replace the Cali schools with Boise and BYU or whatever, and go back to 10. 

Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: FearlessF on March 01, 2021, 12:47:52 PM
I don't believe it's horrific

I think it's an enhancement to the university and a positive overall

I understand some narrow minded folks can't imagine this.....

not speaking of your EU friends, they don't have the experience and depth of knowledge on the subject
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2021, 01:04:51 PM
It's a foreign concept to them, literally.  The athletes in Europe who play rugby or soccer or tennis don't go to college, with very rare exceptions.  They perfect their craft separately of course.  So, athletes in general are viewed as kind of uneducated rubes.

Another difference is if you major in say math, nearly all your take is math courses, and related topics, no English or history or whatever else.

Another is that about half as many HS grads go to college in the first place.
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: FearlessF on March 01, 2021, 02:15:35 PM
So, athletes in general are viewed as kind of uneducated rubes.

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Same here
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2021, 03:40:06 PM
I presume Notre Dame is back to being an "independent" now?  They did make the conference CG, for better or worse, for a first time.

Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Mdot21 on March 01, 2021, 04:01:52 PM
My EU friends find it shocking and somewhat horrifying that US universities have these massive sports programs.
They don't have to in Europe. There is no need for it. The only really popular sport in Europe is soccer. After that maybe basketball. And those guys can get pro futures contracts as teenagers- even the basketball players.

Soccer is not popular in the US. Like at all. The most popular sport BY FAR is football, and well there is no minor league or futures contracts for that, is there? 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 01, 2021, 04:14:44 PM
They don't have to in Europe. There is no need for it. The only really popular sport in Europe is soccer. After that maybe basketball. And those guys can get pro futures contracts as teenagers- even the basketball players.

Soccer is not popular in the US. Like at all. The most popular sport BY FAR is football, and well there is no minor league or futures contracts for that, is there?
Yes, the minor league is called college football ;-) 
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2021, 04:16:47 PM
They have American football in Europe.  One league limits American players to four per league.  This is an hilarious book about it.

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Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 01, 2021, 05:41:01 PM
I know that Canada and Mexico both have CFB. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbd4sALWleE&ab_channel=PRSVRE
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 02, 2021, 09:25:44 AM
Canadian HS football:  how we got Doug Flutie and the legendary Jessie Palmer!
Title: Re: Dying California trying to kill it’s own CFB Programs
Post by: Cincydawg on March 02, 2021, 04:20:47 PM
I like Australian Rules Football, which has not PI in it.  A guy goes up for a pass is fair game, UNTIL he catches it, then you can't touch him.