College Football Board game update

[847badgerfan]

I think he's in Hollywood now. So.. it worked.

[Drew4UTk]

Hopped over to the store to see what I could see, and I got a pop up that read,
"Someone in Atlanta Georgia just bought Tennessee Volunteer Lice..." and I just ROFL, had to come share.

that little script is friggin hilarious.... it is supposed to do something different- and does- but blabbing about all the pseudo 'sales' is about dumb... 

some of the suppliers have API feeds to the store to rotate stock- for short fuse items and such... example: they get only ten items of this limited supply product, and they won't get more- the API comes in handy because i can list the item without having to worry about doing a refund if they no longer have it... another thing it does, though, is passes every single time somebody somewhere in their network of retailers places an order.... and then, to make matters worse, there is no cut off on time- meaning, I'm willing to believe someone in Atlanta bought a license plate, but that happened like three weeks ago- NOT in the last day.... to make it even worse, it confuses the item with the local... for instance a lady in WV purchased a auto emblem yesterday, and it showed up in that stupid feed as the right item but sold to somewhere else... Wisconsin or Michigan or somewhere like that, where the supplier must have another retailer or something is my guess. 

as soon as i can figure out how to cut it off without cutting off the API feed, it's SUCH a goner. 

[OrangeAfroMan]

I was just going over the defensive aspect of the game here - I have a generic defensive card scheme for each team, but I need to tick each one up or down, depending on how good their defense was.  Some notes:

The teams involved here (39 of them):  national champs from 1984-2016 (including split years 1990, 1991, 1997), 1994 Penn State, 1977 ND, and 1971 Nebraska.

It's all about yards per attempt allowed (pass/rush).  All 39 teams were great, so keep that in mind:
the average yards allowed per pass is 5.7.......per rush is 2.7

The best (lowest) pass D:
4.3  2011 Alabama
4.4  1997 Michigan
4.7  1985 Oklahoma
5.0  1991 Miami
5.1  tie - 1992 Alabama, 2005 Texas, 2013 FSU, 1971 Nebraska, 1989 Miami

The best (lowest) rush D:
1.7  1992 Alabama
1.9  tie - 1991 Washington, 1989 Miami
2.0  1986 Penn State

The best (lowest) total on D (pass + rush yards allowed per attempt):
This is not in the ratio they faced, but a simple sum of the 2 above numbers...
6.3  2005 Texas
6.7  2011 Alabama
6.8  1992 Alabama
7.0  1989 Miami
7.1  1997 Michigan

See, all of these other defenses are known as great squads - 1992 Bama is held in some esteem as the best ever, all the late-80s Miami defenses were known as great, and the 97 Wolverines had Woodson & Co. 

Worst 5 pass D:
Remember, the worst of 39 great teams, btw...
7.4  1999 FSU
7.1  1997 Nebraska
7.0  2010 Auburn
6.9  1994 Penn State
6.7  1990 Colorado

Worst 5 run D:
3.9  2014 Ohio State
3.7  2016 Clemson
3.6  1994 Penn State
3.5  1984 BYU
3.4  tie - 2008 Florida, 2010 Auburn

Worst 5 total (pass + rush yards allowed per attempt):
10.5  1994 Penn State
10.4  2010 Auburn
10.2  1999 FSU
10.0  2014 Ohio State
9.6   tie - 1990 Colorado, 1984 BYU

I posted these not to throw shade on them, but to show that while these weren't all-time great defenses, for the most part, these teams' offenses were so good, it didn't matter.  

One surprise to me is despite not getting a piece of the NC, 1994 is looked back upon as an all-time great team.  Yes, the offense was all-time great, but with such a RELATIVELY porous defense, I don't think the case can be made.

Just sharing.

[OrangeAfroMan]

I contacted the NCAA about some questions I had.  Not sure when/if they'll reply - they're probably sort of busy.  

First, I asked if they hold the licensing for former players - if their name, school, and uniform number are used.
Second, I asked if only former players are used, does that avoid the whole Ed O'Bannon issue about amateur player likeness.  If I only use student athletes with no eligibility, does that make it easier.

If/When this game ever comes to fruition, it will only sell if it has licensing.  Yeah, NCAA licensing the schools/mascots/logos is big, but without the player names, I'm not confident it's worthwhile to produce.

[OrangeAfroMan]

I've been creating more teams the past few weeks, and back-checking for teams with 2 major contributors at QB to include both.  Not a lot of instances for the teams I already created, but I made the ones that exist.

I've also added 4th and 1 QB sneaks into the game (with their success rates), 2-point conversion rules, extra point %, and onside kick %.  

As soon as the school year is over, I'll create some complete game sets to send out to the few of you who are interested to sort of beta test the game.  I'll send you the rules, charts, dice, game pieces, board, and a set of 4 teams.  It would probably be best to play a game with me on speaker phone with you or something like that.  You'd play it and review it, giving me the strengths and weaknesses of the experience.

This recent walk-out (strike) has been taking up all my free time lately (AZ teachers #redfored).  But I love creating more team season cards for this game.  It seems like a fantasy that it'd ever be produced, but I really believe it would do well.

Newest teams created:
1980 Pitt (both QBs)
1981 Clemson
1982 Penn St
1982 SMU
1983 Nebaska
1983 Auburn
1984 Washington
1984 Florida
1985 Michigan
1986 Arizona St
1986 Miami
1987 Syracuse
1987 FSU
1988 Oklahoma St
1989 Houston (were in a major conf then - SWC)
1992 Notre Dame
1995 Florida
1996 Ohio St (both QBs)
1997 Tennessee
1998 Ohio St
1999 Nebraska
2000 Miami
2001 Florida
2001 Oregon
2002 Iowa
2002 USC
2002 Georgia
2003 Oklahoma
2006 Ohio St
2007 West Virginia
2017 Alabama

[OrangeAfroMan]

1995 Northwestern is made, for obvious reasons.  

If any of you want to go ahead and tell me which teams you'd want (4) as willing testers of the game, post here, please.  

[OrangeAfroMan]

Current choices (first run of teams + those listed above):
1971 - Nebraska
1976 - Pitt
1977 - ND, Arkansas, Kentucky
1979 - Purdue, Temple
1980 - UGA, Pitt
1981 - Clemson
1982 - Penn St, SMU
1983 - Miami, Nebraska, Auburn
1984 - Washington, Florida, BC, BYU
1985 - Michigan, Iowa, OU
1986 - Penn St, ASU, Miami
1987 - Miami, Syracuse, FSU
1988 - ND, Indiana, OK State, WVU
1989 - Miami, Houston, Illinois
1990 - Colorado, GA Tech, Virginia
1991 - Miami, Washington
1992 - Alabama, ND
1993 - FSU, Auburn, Wisconsin
1994 - Nebaska, Penn St
1995 - Nebraska, Florida, Northwestern
1996 - Florida, Ohio St, ASU
1997 - Nebraska, Michigan, Tennessee, UCLA, UNC, Wash.St
1998 - Tennessee, Ohio St, Arizona, Kansas St
1999 - VA Tech, FSU, Nebraska
2000 - OU, Miami, Oregon St, Iowa St
2001 - Maryland, Miami, Florida, Oregon
2002 - Ohio St, NC State, Iowa, USC, UGA
2003 - LSU, Ole Miss, OU, Minnesota
2004 - USC, Auburn, Cal, Utah
2005 - Texas
2006 - Florida, Ohio St, Rutgers, Louisville, Wake Forest
2007 - LSU, Missouri, WVU, Kansas
2008 - Florida, Texas Tech
2009 - Alabama
2010 - Auburn, Stanford, Oregon, TCU
2011 - Alabama, OK State, Baylor
2012 - Alabama, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt
2013 - FSU, Michigan St, South Carolina, Duke
2014 - Ohio St, Miss St
2015 - Alabama
2016 - Clemson
2017 - Alabama

Obviously, I'll add a team or two to 2005 and 2009.  The mythical nature of the national championship back in the day lends itself to creating more top teams.  The playoff sort of snips that off to some degree.  But I'll still add on a Mariota Oregon team.  The blowouts in 2015 make them kind of 'meh', but the 2017 OU and UGA teams were worthwhile, for sure.

If I'm missing a P5 school above, please let me know.  I did my best to create at least everyone's best season from the last 30 years or so.  I could fill in the 70s at some point, but this is a lot of data entry, printing, and cutting, lol.

[OrangeAfroMan]

I finally got around to playing a game with 1995 Northwestern.  They had a tough task ahead of them:  1972 USC.

The Wildcats got down early, 17-0 on two Anthony Davis TD runs.  With the Trojans keying on the NU running game, Darnell Autry had trouble even getting back to the line of scrimmage.  Late in the 2nd quarter, however, N'Western banged it in from the one to make the halftime score 17-7.  USC missed a FG just before the half.

Thanks to a good punt return by Musso, the Wildcats scored on another 1-yard TD run early in the 3rd.  The teams traded interceptions after that.  Northwestern missed a FG, which USC answered with their final TD by Sam Cunningham.  NU made a 48-yard FG, but that's as close as they got.
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24-17, '72 USC over '95 Northwestern
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NU
Autry:  22 carries, 43 yards, 1 TD
Schnur:  14-32 for 213 yds    0 TD, 1 INT
Bates:  6 rec, 91 yds, 0 TD
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USC
Cunningham:  8 carries, 28 yds, 1 TD
Davis:  17 car, 88 yds, 2 TD
Rae:  10-19 for 219 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT
Young:  3 rec, 82 yds, 0 TD

[OrangeAfroMan]

I made a Facebook page for the game I made.  If you would like to play-test it, click the link.  Photos and info are there, and we can work out which teams you'd like.  I think I'll send out 4 teams plus other parts of the game.  Thanks for the interest you guys have shown.

https://www.facebook.com/DP-College-Football-Board-Game-1890813767885854/?modal=admin_todo_tour

[rolltidefan]

should do 09 texas and uf.

and i don't do fb anymore. you thinking of any other way we could do beta?

[Drew4UTk]

@OrangeAfroMan , I have plenty of webspace- if you want your own page we can swing it.  you'll have a helluva lot more say-so over your content instead of being at FB's mercy. 

[OrangeAfroMan]

I don't know?  I'm getting a ton of interest just in this first day of posting it there.  Maybe it would need it's own webpage if I was going to sell it myself, but I couldn't handle any kind of volume, especially when August rolls around.  My ideal goal would be for some game publisher to buy it and then mass produce it.  

Although they'd have to worry about licensing and all that.  And I found an existing college football game that uses names and logos and all that, which looks like a small-scale operation.  I contacted them about such things and they just said they were so under the radar they didn't worry about it.  

But this would sell tens of thousands of copies throughout the southeast and midwest if it was packaged properly and didn't cost $60 per game.

[Drew4UTk]

Be careful with the licensing.  The ncaa is strict.  Very much so.  That small company can easily lose everything if the secret service becomes involved... Your best bet is a joint venture.  If you dont have a copyright attorney involved, you may want one pretty quick. 

Im offering the webpage and space for free.. Ive got it and it isnt being used .We should get you and @ftbobs together... I can get the game scripted into an app easily too, and boom... Youre making nice coin . 

[OrangeAfroMan]

Would a copyright attorney be willing to do a single task - a la find out what is and isn't allowed by the NCAA?  

I'm afraid while pro sports have players associations and the leagues themselves can give permission to use their entities, I don't believe there's a group association for college athletes.  We all know their likenesses cannot be used while they're amateurs, but once that's over, then what are the rules?  

Would each individual person have to agree to be included in such a game?  As there is no 'former amateur athlete' association to sign off on something for the whole.  What about deceased players?  I'm sure you can gain permission from the NFL to use all the teams and player's names from the 1972 season.  But while their amateur status is long gone, I don't believe the NCAA even has the rights to the player names from former college players.  But all of this is just a guess.

All of this is so unknown - even tracking down the right person at the NCAA to probe about it is a total mystery.