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Drew4UTk

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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #70 on: February 11, 2019, 06:45:56 PM »
Yup.. Give me a bit and I'll set it up. 

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« Reply #71 on: February 11, 2019, 07:58:04 PM »
I strongly suggest you make an app from it. Would likely be good for a grand a month.

I could set that up too. 

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« Reply #72 on: February 11, 2019, 09:09:13 PM »
I agree. While I’d definitely get a board and play with my kids, making it into an app would make a killing. 

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« Reply #73 on: February 11, 2019, 09:49:31 PM »
I wouldn't even know where to begin.
I do know the overall processing behind an app would be super simple, but while I could produce a niche board game business in an empty corner of the internet and not get in trouble for it, an official app sounds like it couldn't use official team logos and player names...
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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #74 on: February 12, 2019, 07:53:03 AM »
The trademark issues with games are very troubling when self-publishing

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« Reply #75 on: February 12, 2019, 08:52:26 AM »
Yeah, that's the allure of staying small-time and non-electronic.  Stay small enough that you're not on anyone's radar.  
But to blow up and be something bigger, you'd have to be legit.  Which I'm all for, but someone with experience would have to do that.  I'm just a guy who made a game.
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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #76 on: February 12, 2019, 09:36:13 AM »
img collegiate licensing has virtually all of the ncaa/conf/teams you'd want or need. i have no idea of their pricing or how to go about getting the license, but most colleges are on their client list.

we have some attorneys among us, are any of you copyright/trademark attorneys that might could offer some advice?

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« Reply #77 on: February 12, 2019, 09:52:53 AM »
img collegiate licensing has virtually all of the ncaa/conf/teams you'd want or need. i have no idea of their pricing or how to go about getting the license, but most colleges are on their client list.

we have some attorneys among us, are any of you copyright/trademark attorneys that might could offer some advice?
It's not that so much as protecting the game idea once it's out in the world.  The copyrights for games are very specific, so it's easy to tweak a small thing and be ok.  So if you are a small publisher, it's almost impossible for a good idea not to be taken and used by a company who can mass produce it and get it into stores more easily.  Generally, the better bet is to simply sell your idea unfortunately.  That's where the app is nice, you can get the quick burn, make your money quickly, before people get bored and move on, and you've likely sunk much less cost into it.

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« Reply #78 on: February 12, 2019, 12:55:13 PM »
That makes sense, but from all of the board game-specific videos I've seen, 100% have said people in the industry aren't out to do that.  They say copyrighting and trademarking is a waste of time and money, because people want to bring the games to market, not ruin their reputation "stealing" a game idea that may or may not sell.  

So there's that.

I sent one email to the NCAA, which I guess has nothing to do with it, because it's a school-by-school thing, right?  Anyway, I don't even know who I sent it to and if they could/would do anything about it.  Never heard back.

I'd be okay selling the game/idea to someone as long as they could get it out into the world.  The app, using the same idea as my game, could merely be a 'call the play, see outcome of the play' or 'call the play, watch the play unfold' thing, which would be tougher to create.  

It would still be fun playing great teams from the past, either way.  And I guess people could replay seasons, as that's what most Strat-o-matic baseball users do.  
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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #79 on: February 12, 2019, 01:15:18 PM »
That makes sense, but from all of the board game-specific videos I've seen, 100% have said people in the industry aren't out to do that.  They say copyrighting and trademarking is a waste of time and money, because people want to bring the games to market, not ruin their reputation "stealing" a game idea that may or may not sell.  

So there's that.

I sent one email to the NCAA, which I guess has nothing to do with it, because it's a school-by-school thing, right?  Anyway, I don't even know who I sent it to and if they could/would do anything about it.  Never heard back.

I'd be okay selling the game/idea to someone as long as they could get it out into the world.  The app, using the same idea as my game, could merely be a 'call the play, see outcome of the play' or 'call the play, watch the play unfold' thing, which would be tougher to create.  

It would still be fun playing great teams from the past, either way.  And I guess people could replay seasons, as that's what most Strat-o-matic baseball users do.  

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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #80 on: March 13, 2019, 02:07:28 AM »
After doing a fan vote, I've shifted the defense ratings some and did a bunch of research - the yards per run and pass on defense - for the top 10 teams going back to 1971.  The top teams of that 47 year sample, in order:

Pass D:
'73 Nebraska....only allowed 3.3 yards per pass on the season.
'79 Alabama
'74 Alabama
'72 Tennessee
'97 Michigan
'99 Kansas St
'11 Alabama
'77 Arkansas
'78 Oklahoma
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Run D:
'93 Arizona...as I've obsessed on before - allowed fewer yards than carries on the season (0.9 ypc).
'97 FSU
'78 Penn St
'96 FSU
'80 Pitt
'92 Alabama
'08 TCU*
'03 USC
'71 Michigan
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*denotes mid-major team at the time
Still not sure what to do about them, maybe add a yard "penalty", but include them.  That's a substantial penalty, yet isn't damning, those teams could still compete and win some of the time vs the big boy programs, in the game.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2019, 02:14:35 AM by OrangeAfroMan »
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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #81 on: March 13, 2019, 02:28:27 AM »
Of these 470 top ten teams, 1973 Nebraska is the only one in the fossil record to hold teams to fewer yards per pass attempt than run attempt.  Incredible.  
The average QB against the Huskers that year went 4 for 13 (29.6%) for 44 yards.  
If you think this was simply the times, the team ranked one spot above Nebraska was a 10-0-1 Michigan team that allowed 6.1 yards per pass.  On average, a QB's line vs the Wolverines was 10-20 for 120 yds.  

Big difference - all-time great pass defense.
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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #82 on: March 13, 2019, 03:23:05 AM »
Here are the defenses that were #1 in their season in both run D and pass D (per attempt) among just these top tens:
Year - Team - Final Ranking
1975 Alabama, 3rd
1976 Texas A&M, 7th
1988 Auburn, 8th
1989 Miami, 1st
1992 Alabama, 1st
2004 USC, 1st
2011 Alabama, 1st
2017 Alabama, 1st
*If you don't count mid-majors, 2010 Ohio St. (5th) would make the list.
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The most consecutive years leading the top 10 in run D is three, by:
1979, 1980, 1981 - Pitt
2015, 2016, 2017 - Alabama
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The most consecutive years leading the top 10 in pass D is three, by:
1985, 1986, 1987 - Oklahoma
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Teams that did it two years in a row:
Run D:
1990, 1991 - Washington
1996, 1997 - FSU
2003, 2004 - USC
2011, 2012 - Alabama
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Pass D:
1974, 1975 - Alabama
2012, 2013 - FSU
2015, 2016 - Ohio St.
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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #83 on: March 13, 2019, 03:42:48 AM »
The worst top ten team of the last 47 years in by this measure?
run D:  2014 Georgia Tech (5.1)
pass D:  2018 Oklahoma (8.43)
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